Please return survival back to ranged or give hunters a 4th spec

Ridiculous statement. If you don’t remember all aspects of the old spec designs then fair enough, go read up on the actual differences, in terms of mechanical design, CD lengths, damage types, application varieties, and more.

If you’re basing that statement solely on the fact that both specs were relying on a ranged weapon, honestly just stop.

As have been pointed out already, that’s incorrect.

Fair enough if you think so. But you do know current MSV isn’t exactly containing any particularly unique abilities at all, do you? And I base that statement on your presumed logic(what you said just a sentence ago).

All ranged dps specs in the entire game can do so.

The difference being that those ranged specs would not lose out on damage if they stepped out of melee range. Something MSV would.

You acknowledged this yourself:

This should indicate to you that the design does not intend for you to actually step out of melee range. And yes, there are certain situations where it would be favorable to, as MSV, step away from an enemy to allow for ranged attacks and DoTs and the pet to continue. But this equals only “your method of playing”. It does not equal the “intended design”.

Again, fair enough, you’re free to play the game however you want. But don’t use your method of playing as an argument towards what a spec is designed for you to be doing.

We aren’t specifically after the WoD-style of survival. We are after the actual core theme of the old SV which existed from WotLK up until WoD.

Marksmanship is still a spec themed around properly aiming a ranged weapon. In taking your time to hit that perfect spot.

SV is no longer themed around enhancing ammunition used by ranged weapons, it’s no longer themed around a ranged weapon at all. Nor is it themed around the enhancement of traps, something the old SV also did.

What you equate with “run-and-gun” is the strict mechanical design of allowing you to move around without restrictions while executing all your attacks without hindrance.

What you fail to do, is comprehending how unique themes, aesthetics and ability-mechanics caters towards individual player preferences.

In short, it’s not just about us being able to move around all the time.

Again, “method of play” has nothing to do with “intent of design”.

Besides, if you think that the difference between old MM and old SV(WoD) was only about switching out 2 abilities and then pressing the new ones you added in the same way as you did with the old ones then no, you don’t know how to play the specs at high level. Or at least, not how they were supposed to be played back then.

Feel free to read through and get back to me with some feedback(US) :slight_smile: :

#[Suggestions updated] Pre-Legion/Ranged Survival

Original post(same as above, EU version):

How was it a mix of MM+BM?
In what way did it have “0 identity” when compared to BM/MM?

And the Affliction Warlock ability - Unstable Affliction, is just a renamed version of the Destruction Warlock ability - Immolate.

Different magic schools/damage types, ways of application, CDs, duration, and other mechanics, just like how you equated Chimera Shot with Explosive Shot.

But yeah, all of the above were/are exactly the same… :thinking:

Agree 100%.

In it’s own way, I can see why you would want that. Though, as a Hunter, who loved the old RSV, I can’t agree with you on this.

Keep in mind that a Hunter tank spec, would involve a pet. And a tank spec which includes pets would be a mechanical disaster, to say the least.

Novel huh…

What is a “novel” to you? An A4-page worth of text?

That is what they said yes.

Specifically, they said they knew that MSV “came with a flavour which was not necessarily intended for current hunters”. By current, I/they mean the hunters who were playing back then when they did change it.

Sniper themes?

Something which we aren’t advocating for here.

We want a spec with a main focus on enhancing the ammunition/arrows as well as traps. Not the sniper fantasy of focusing on the archery/sharpshooting. Nor are we after the BM fantasy of a pet commander who happens to be wielding a ranged weapon.

Exactly.

Incorrect, this has also been proven many times before in this very thread.

But here it is again.

Popularity/representation from MoP up until today:

PvE: https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/sv/pve-stats/classes/hunter

Bepples already linked some proof from before MoP.

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