Please remove the Trident from LFR Uu'nat

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It’s way too prone to trolling, and is completely unnecessary in LFR. I would wager 95%+ of the wipes on Uu’nat in LFR are due to the tanks using the bubble too soon or troll tanks purposely wiping the raid with the bubble. I wiped a good 30 times on 2 toons yesterday on Uu’nat, and all of them except 1 was attributed to this.

One was attributed to a DPS trolling and not using the crown and holding onto it, but he was promptly kicked after we forced a wipe by running into the shadows.

The damage it’s designed to mitigate actually is negligible in LFR. The times I’ve done the boss in LFR on my alts and beat him were the times we told the tank to ignore the Trident completely. The healers simply healed through the damage without any issue.

Whereas when a tank picks up the Trident and attempts to use the bubble, it 99% of the time ends up with the raid wiping.

Not to mention there’s people who queue specifically for the LFR as tanks JUST to troll the raid and use the bubble at bad times when raid damage is not going out so that the raid WILL wipe and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it.

The Trident simply puts too much power in the hands of 2 random tanks when it comes to the fate of 23 other people. If they decide they want to wipe the group when the boss is at 30%, all they have to do is pop the bubble ability. (and yes, I’ve seen this happen) There simply isn’t enough raid damage going out at that point to break the bubble, and melee often can’t stack in the bubble at that point as they have to go after adds as well.

At the very least make it so the bubble burst in LFR-Only, is limited to damaging the raid for like 75% of their current health, rather than being capable of one-shotting them. The other artifacts are fine, they will be learned over time.

However, unlike the other artifacts, where apart from the lone outlier like a DPS holding onto the crown (which can be fixed easily by making the artifact drop if not used after like 30 seconds), this isn’t so much a mechanic issue, as DPS/Heals will learn their artifacts rather quickly. This is more a “The Trident is pointless in LFR and the only purpose it seems to serve is cause unnecessary wipes and encourage trolling.”

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The trident is more of a luxury than a necessity, even on heroic.

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Kinda the point.

On LFR all it does is invite trolls and wipes. Lol.

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They should just make it so you can’t die, but put mythic mechanics + huge knockback in LFR. That would make it fun. :joy:

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LFR is easy enough already, it doesn’t need to be made any easier.

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Maybe people would troll less in it if the rewards weren’t literally outclassed by world content from day 1. It’s just ridiculous.

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It doesn’t need extra tools that are useless either.

This makes no difference, whatsoever, some people get their amusement by trolling LFR.

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I mean, I’m not disagreeing that there will be trolls regardless, but if there were more of an actual reason to be there, I suspect more people present would care about getting it done efficiently. As it is, there’s not much reason to do it UNLESS you want to troll.

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yah lfr rewards are completely worthless for anyone participating in ANY other activity in the game

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They should just do as OP suggested and remove things that aren’t even needed in LFR - I had a similar experience but I didn’t blame it on people deliberately trolling, I think people legitimately thought they needed to use that bubble and it was just causing raid wide wipes.

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Went in on Tuesday and got it done in 2 tries. Think we hit enrage on first try and then on second try, someone actually explained the fight a little. I died midway on the 2nd time, feared out of the circle. Boss died, I got my quest done so all good.

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LFR shouldn’t remove mechanics. It shouldn’t be an AFK fest and it should absolutely have all mechanics. It’s one of the main things people complained about and wanted put back into LFR.

Quit the group if kicking trolls isn’t working. And report them for it.

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The issue is that BfA raids like to give personal responsibility that effects the entire raid’s success to either:

  1. a lot of people, so you can’t afford to be too picky
    or
  2. random individuals, so you have to pray they know their stuff

Older expansions did that way less often (and if they did it, it was usually something like tank positioning so you knew who needed to be told what to do).

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I don’t see the issue. People should have personal responsibility. It’s part of working through any raid-- even randoms.

They either need to grow up and stop being trolls or they get reported and kicked.

Everyone should be prepared when walking in the door of any level of raid. It doesn’t take long to read a guide or watch a video. And again, if they can’t be trusted, then they get kicked.

I understand that’s not going to be the case, but they have to learn somehow. Catering to lazy people or making things “idiot proof” due to trolls is not the answer, imo. That just makes LFR even more of an AFK fest.

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Exactly. And to add to this. LFR should be the learning environment. We don’t want these folks going off to pug/guild normal CoS raids and not knowing what to do. Removing mechanics from LFR will hurt those in the raiding community who use LFR to learn. That’s what I do. I’ll watch the video. Read on the strat. Read the journal. Then dive into LFR to get some muscle memory in and see what DBM tries to tell me to do.

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This is unrealistic.

LFR should not result in people having to waste 2 hours of their time for no reason whatsoever (plus queue time). It literally is a waste to design the game that way and they have avoided troll tools in LFR generally.

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Which is a symptom of low difficulty content rewarding high level gear. Who wants to raid or run LFR when you can do a few world quests and get practically heroic level gear? Not LFR, not Normal, but almost Heroic level - that is 3 tiers.

100% agreed.

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Most of the replies here are ignorant of how simple it is to insta wipe the raid with trident.

It needs its damage greatly reduced.

Its not even needed on normal let alone LFR.

Its not about learning mechanics, its about tanks having an extra action button on their screen called “press to wipe raid”

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Yup. That’s what we used to do for Dragon Soul back in the day, too. And it’s why people advocated for LFR to have all mechanics back in it. It was a good stepping stone to learn and it should have responsibility. It’s a raid. Not a solo endeavor.

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Actually, if they were at the mercy of a raid leader THEN they would probably care and not troll.