Perhaps they can be a filter that lets you ignore commissions below a certain amount?
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It’s not an exploit, just a scam. If someone is posting 10 no mats, 50g commission orders on an items that has 1000g in mats, they are hoping someone accidentally fills it without noticing. They can then flip the item on the AH for a massive profit. They only need a small hit percentage for it to pay off. It’s not a violation of any rules…just scummy behavior, much like scalpers and their bots in the real world.
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As a crafter with multiple professions, I see no-mats, no-comission orders just like under-paid orders which I wont fulfill, not a scam.
It was like that since dawn of wow, every crafter had to check if buyer traded sufficient mats for craft or enchant. Just pay attention.
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I havent used the system enough to really see this. Is it really easy to get screwed? Im also more of a customer since my crafters are still leveling their professions. I try to compensate for any missing mats that I leave to the crafter. I usually over tip so it gets filled faster.
Before even tackling my wall of text, just want to say I hope you enjoy the crafting system and have a wonderful time with it! Besides the flaws it really is a wonderful change that I hope you enjoy as much as I did. May you flourish with profits and good tidings!
now onto the matter on hand.
it is and it isn’t. They do give a warning that the customer did not provide all the mats however it’s very easy to just click through. You also just reach a point where you craft so fast you can’t react in time to your mindless clicking. That’s the generous side. The people the scammers really target are people such as yourself, new to the crafting scene, just getting started, and not knowing the value of items or their weight.
Just looking at JC rq, the pets that can be crafted are put up for com at the highest 2k. It’ll cost more to craft it at that price plus that’s the highest one, most are 1k-1.2k . No mats provided yet when you look at AH those pets at lvl 1 go for over 11k with lvl 25 going for 16k-25k. Then comes up gems, some going so low as 25 silver yet AH price on them can go over 1k. Again, no mats.
It just takes either one person not paying attention, not knowing what their own value, or not knowing the value of what they’re crafting for the scammers to win. I’m pretty depressed this system is going on and no mistakes were admitted. Plus I agree with Painscale, lower pop servers though still good do not accurately represent the whole of a problem. In fact people transfer to low pop servers, buy out their supplies (because it’s so cheap and undervalued) to then sell on realms like stormrage. It’s a disgusting practice.
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They need to merge crafters AH with the regular one and make a bigger prompt to crafters when mats are missing OR add a filter for commission.
And I wrote that I don’t mind making a small loss on missing materials if it gets me a First Craft or weekly “Craft 2/3 Profession X/Y Orders” completion, which means I’m in favor of keeping incomplete orders in.
The only change I’d want to the current system is an option to ignore all orders where missing mats amount for more than something like 50g more than the tip. Perhaps make it a “minimum tip” set to -50g if you ware willing to take up to a 50g loss on missing mats or +50g if you want to ignore orders with a tip less than 50g over missing mats.
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I think the biggest frustration i have is that i remember what it was like at the start of DF when no mat public orders were not possible. All orders had fair commission, they were plentiful, and i didnt have to cycle through 10 million no mats guys. I saw an order, i made the order, i got the gold, and there was no risk of me getting screwed over. I would genuinely spend all my order fills in a day easy. Now, outside of guild and personal orders, i fill MAYBE 1 a week.
Allowing no mat public orders to be sent with very low commissions has no downside and only an upside for the scammer. Maybe force new orders to cost a delta between mats provided and mats required per the AH? IDK, but i think adding no mat public orders was a bad addition to the df craftinf system (which i actually enjoy a lot)
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Scammers or people who are just plain cheap. I have plenty of friends who don’t know how to make gold or don’t like farming and are super cheap with everything. Maybe they should integrate the crafting table into the AH and give the option to buy the mats when you place the order. I get really irritated when the commision doesn’t cover the materials or they want 447ilvl craft for 100g.
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Or just dont fill the order?
Both. Submitting a dracothyst transmute for 2k knowing the mats are 5k+ per and doing it 10x is clearly an attempt to scam. Submitting pet crafts for 3 silver, again an obvious attempt to scam.
That version of crafting didn’t last much over a week unless you had a recipe that was still relatively unique and high-demand like the lariat and lasso. I got lucky enough to get the lasso in the first day or two, only craft I made a decent bit of change on. For more easily obtained recipes, orders and tips dried up pretty quickly.
Yeah, not sure how I feel about this change. I took a break, so this was new to me.
On one hand, I usually have profession mats kicking around my bags, so as long as the commission covers the cost of the mats and a crafting fee, it’s not bad. CraftSim is very helpful here.
On the other hand, orders like that are unicorns. Most of what I see, nobody in their right mind would touch. It’s just fishing, not unlike listing a piece of cloth on the AH for a million gold and hoping for a misclick. All this does is add spam, most of it by the same handful of characters across multiple professions.
BTW, I don’t think they’re some innocent confused newbies - more like somebody looking to take advantage of such. Ignore cleaned things up some, but it really needs to be account-wide.
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The stock UI already goes through the trouble of pulling the mats cost based on AH. There should simply be an option to ignore all orders where the tip fails to cover missing ingredients by more than X gold. Set that to 0g, then you won’t see any public orders where you aren’t at least breaking even anymore.
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I came to the forums to express exactly what you said.
So many months later an your post is still relevant.
It’s insulting that people are allowed to post a public order with a 8k cost and 100g commission.
There might be room for this within a guild, but public order is unacceptable!
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They should streamline the scam system,
Remove the no-mat public work orders page,
Replace them with a request page where you can mail people gold.
Same difference but it’s a bit more clear.
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Simply don’t fill the orders. No one is forcing you to craft and sell at a loss.
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I’d rather they fix the mess we have, than players simply not interact with it.
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public work orders should require all mats. that or people need to start mailing the people putting up no-mat no-gold work orders C.O.D. for LOTS of gold.
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I doubt you’d be saying that when your server starts getting flooded with HUNDREDS of work orders with sub-50g commissions and no materials, on items that cost 500-1000g to make, in every profession.