I know there was some thoughts that people wouldn’t just load up work orders without mats, but it’s just obviously wrong. If you check the work orders for any professions 99% of all work orders have no mats. It’s completely inundated with scammers trying to get free items and that’s all. It’s legitimately so bad that it’s not worth to check if there are any public work orders because of this. Please remove the ability to send public work orders without materials. Keep personal work orders to be able to be sent without mats, but there’s no reason to keep public work orders. This was clearly a failed experiment. Take the L and move on.
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I have completed a handful of work orders where the tip provided more than enough to cover missing material costs or close enough to breaking even that I took them for first-craft or weekly work order quest reasons.
Having incomplete materials has its uses and I personally like it, though having to enter each item when the list is long enough to switch to aggregated form to find out which ones may be worth crafting is quite annoying.
There should be an option to ignore all crafts where the tip is more than xxx gold short of covering missing materials - I’d be willing to lose 300g on a first craft, about the same as a weekly missive and maybe 50g for weekly orders where I would otherwise just craft and trash/DE, losing 80-200g in the process anyway.
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There is nothing wrong with being able to post work orders with no mats. It’s on the crafter to make sure the payment covers the cost of the service.
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There is a very simple way to avoid screwing yourself out of expensive mats on work orders: don’t hoard them. At least not on crafter characters you do work orders on.
If I need to craft reagents for something, I do them on an as-needed basis.
It’s just as simple as blizzard putting the gold comission in red if the profit is negative and white otherwise. I honestly don’t know why the haven’t done it. But removing public order is out of the question
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It would be a massive effort. Think that many mats are available from many realms, and with different prices at a constantly fluctuating price in some cases. You could suddenly go from profit to loss in a moment.
Really, put a little effort to know your market and what your mats you use for that character’s items coat. I do that by making a favorite of each and glancing at it before going to the craft table (you could do a screenshot as well). I have it set up on three different characters. I could do more but really only craft for others with those.
No one said remove public order. All i said was remove the capability of submitting public orders without all mats. What happens now is that literally every JC crafting order is without mats abd only a 1 gold comission on my server (stormrage). Why even bother?
For me as a Scribe, there’s pretty much always treatise listed with no mats with a tip at like 1/2 the cost of mats.
the only mats that should not be required at the mats related to the professions you are putting a work order.
I’m a scribe/herb and most treatise require mats that i can’t make easily with herb. And in treatise you need leatherworking mats.
Unless they make an Auction House linked system with work orders i won’t spend most of my time going between AH and WO tab just to fill in work orders.
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Disagree. Just ignore those people.
Legit reason - if you have a new alt, and dont have the mettle for prof tools, you can buy your way in by offering a big enough tip to pay for someone else’s mettle.
Does it happen a lot? No. Is it valid use case? yes. Don’t use a few bad actors to remove a system that is flexible to allow people to address alts and their professions just because you can’t be bothered to use another small feature to filter out said bad actors.
Are there still improvements to the filtering? yes.
There’s a difference between “a few bad apples” and 99% of the system failing. Your statement about prof tools should be a personal craft anyway. The amount of mettle you need to spend to make those tools is about 2 weeks worth anyway.
The current system, in its implementation, has resulted in most crafters not using the public work orders. As such, if 50% of your system isn’t being used, then it can only be identified as a failure. If you want more people to use it, remove the ability to post public work orders BUT keep the ability to send private work orders without materials. Make it so that you have to be intentional about sending in orders without materials instead of trying to scam people.
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The current system, in its implementation, has resulted in most crafters not using the public work orders.
Maybe your anecdotal experience says that, but mine says that’s not true at all. There are plenty of people interacting with and fulfilling public orders.
I would venture a guess Blizz internal data shows its being interacted with just fine. I am on a Medium-Large server and I only see 1-2 people try pulling the proverbial wool over peoples eyes and. In my experience, there aren’t literally hundreds of orders up at any given time trying to cheat people.
Your statement about prof tools should be a personal craft anyway.
What if I don’t have an alt that I can personal order from? What if I don’t want to spend two weeks farming mettle and have the gold to pay instead and thats a better use of my time? What if I play at off times and I’ve tried spamming /trade for someone willing to do it and cant find someone because they are off playing new content or raiding? The system addresses those issues. You are trying to take flexible options out of the game for something that is easily fixable on your end - use the ignore button.
I wish I could post screenshots to the forums to show you this, but this is literally what is happening on the bigger servers. I know you claim youre on a medium/large server, but for reference, laughing skull has .16% of the us population according to wowanalytica. Stormrage has 5.49%. Not saying anything negative towards smaller servers, but the feedback on systems like this is pretty skewed. The answer isn’t to keep a system that fails for the majority of the people but works for the lower pop people. The answer is to shard the lower pop people in with the higher pop people and fix this so that it works for everyone.
This is due to you being on a lower pop server. Again, nothing wrong with that, but I can literally post 1 time in trade chat and get 5 whispers at any given time for crafts.
My view of public orders without mats is mixed. Scammer order listed? Oh yes quite a lot. But I did use some of them to level my LW to 100 I will admit. Of course I lost gold doing it but my goal was to skill up.
Tool order with about just mettle and pitiful fee? Or a spark with chaos? I go buy the cheapest mats possible and don’t care what rank it comes out as.
Now that the alt army is maxxed out, I just ignore them, let somebody else use them like I did.
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Why? Because it’s inconvenient to scroll through a list of orders that have no or not all the mats? I’ve filled a ton of inscription orders where they didn’t include the parchment or the ink but did include a commission more than substantial enough to cover those mats.
Does it show societal trends, yeah I’d probably agree that’s true. But it’s certainly not an L. People who get their items made are the people who know how to include mats and /or an adequate commission. The ones who don’t, those are the ones taking the L.
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They just need to add a filter so that folks that don’t want to see mat-less entries can have them removed from their list. No need to remove options from folks that want to list and fill orders that you do not want to fill.
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I think a lot of people would be glad to fill no mat orders, if the commission was enough to cover the cost of the mats if they had to buy them from the AH or made up the loss of what they could get if they made the item themselves and put it on the AH.
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I can see how “it’s crafters responsibility” is true. But also, the way it is now, promotes scammers.
You feel a sort of sympathy for old grannies that get scammed cos they don’t know better. Surely you can muster a little sympathy for the victims of WoW scammers.
And it’s FILLED with the obvious scam work orders, just sitting there waiting for someone to mis-click or be a new player.
I would much prefer to make it as difficult for scammers as possible in WoW. I see the scammers and it’s just irritating to be reminded of how rubbish people can be. It puts you in a bad mood. Or at least it does for me.
Edit: So much so that when I see someone on the AH try bait with low prices, I will spend ages just buying their bait, until they eventually give up. I absolutely HATE sleezy people.
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I filled orders with no mats were the commission more than made up for it, but I agree with the original poster, 90+% of the orders across every profession seem to be scammers putting up orders with 50g commissions on hundreds or thousands of gold in mats items. Sure, it’s on the crafter to pay attention, but it gets tiring to see the same scammer on three alts putting up 20 orders in the hopes of duping some people for profit.
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I dont understand your issue. If the crafting order you are to looking to fill has no or very low commission dont fill it. I dont expect someone to fill my orders if i dont give them a high enough commission to cover the cost of the mats and for their time. This new auction house is honestly how the normal one should work. I hope they combine them soon. My orders usually have a commission of 500g to 10k gold depending on the item I want made and the mats or lack of mats im providing.
How are they scamming? Is this bug exploit people are doing to the system? Is it spam? Maybe they need to raise the posting fees.