Here Jalen comes to ride Avelen’s
D and white knight. Why do I get the feeling you’re the same person?
Because it’ll help your narrative?
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Then the gear needs to be vastly improved. Right now LFR gear is the worst, slowest way to get gear for a character. Mythic 0/Mythic+ and the daily emissaries and horrific visions give better gear at a faster pace. LFR is meant to see the story, get to experience a facsimile is end game PvE, fulfill quests and give people an avenue to farm transmog.
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As it should be. I believe LFR should give heroic dungeon ilvl gear. LFR was added as a tourist easy-mode design, which it is. The mechanics are amazingly simple and basic compared to the real boss fights in a real raid setting. The issue is that the greater majority of players refuse to better themselves so they expect an auto-win button and not hvae to worry about doing anything other than spam a button while the rest of the players in their LFR group are afk.
(not sure who you were responding to, but)
Problem is that almost every single thing I mentioned can cause this to happen. I agree though. If we get through the first portal phase, we have a decent chance. I’ve never seen a wipe after the second portal phase.
By your own logic every boss should be a push over. Be consistent. Go fight Vexiona and see how many stacks of determination it takes to get enough dps to kill the adds fast enough.
I was shouting at the elitist Druid, not you. You’re 100% right.
Every boss in LFR already is a pushover. The issue isn’t the extremely remedial mechanics, the issue is that the players don’t take the time to actually do the very few mechanics of each boss.
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N’Zoth has well over a dozen different moving parts, including mechanics that have to be obeyed almost perfectly ie it causes a wipe. Why do you think they nerfed Paranoia so it couldn’t affect tanks? Ranged who get it DON’T RUN UP INTO MELEE which means their melee partner either afks and bleeds sanity or runs to them and loses precious dps because they can’t attack. Paranoia is NOTHING compared to Deathwings disorient. If you tank Psychus so that he’s next to N’Zoth and the raid is between him and the wall then it’s not only easier to avoid it, but if you get disoriented you won’t really have to worry about Anguish getting you. That said 6 seconds is an ETERNITY. It’s a huge dps loss. If it’s your heals then people will probably die. If it’s your tank, it’s a wipe. However, everyone wants to imitate the tanking strat from Normal and up so no one does it that way, and you can’t make them.
Heroic and Mythic must have A LOT more mechanics than LFT then. Wow. /bow
Edit: To clarify. This is the reason Mythic and Heroic groups fail. Generally there are only a couple ways to fail any encounter in World of Warcraft. Not enough DPS or heals (a gear check) or failure to do the mechanics properly. That sums up every fight in World of Warcraft from LFR to Mythic. Saying it’s mechanics isn’t really saying anything. You could say that about Mythic N’zoth too because people in heroic gear killed cleared mythic weeks ago.
I’m not even sure how to take that comment or what you’re even getting at, tbh.
Just need n’zoth
Nerf him plz
LFR N’Zoth… Was my first ever raid in Modern WoW since I came back to the game.
I had no pre-knowledge of the mechanics… I didn’t have the best gear… in fact I had to repair my gear several times.
But I stuck with my raid… and I kept pushing.
You aren’t the only one with a full time job. The game doesn’t have to bend its will for me. All the Raid requires is patience and understanding. Willingness to ask “What’s killing me” “What should I be doing” all that’s left out of your control is execution by other players. Players will eventually work out what to do and those that can’t hack it can take there knowledge to their next group.
LFR is fine.
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You are so hopeful with that!
I love the OP’s responses in this thread. He’s so wore out.
The two player qualities LFR is specifically not oriented towards. All players who have any semblance of those can do normal (to that end, N’zoth is literally the same fight in Normal as LFR)
LFR is meant to be easy - typically the boss with a core mechanic or two either removed or done for you… and in return for that ease, it gives garbage iLevel gear.
My proposition for reworking LFR N’zoth would be to simply either:
- Automatically send half the players to fight Psychus, and teleport them back after he dies. No more voluntarily entering/leaving that “room.”
- Whole raid does each “room” together, so they get to experience both halves of the fight. Adjust N’zoth and Psychus health as needed to balance fight length.
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Since its my only LFR raid I did a couple months (Month ago… hard to tell in quarantine time) ago and have not pushed any higher difficulty. I literally did it just to get out of my quest log. I’d say I’m specifically the LFR player this thread is supposed to be talking about.
The fight is actually super simple. Just trial and error - with a willingness to bash your head at something enough times till you eventually win.
Actually it was the “I thought this was supposed to be super easy” that pushed me to continue… I’m like. “I can do this, This is easy” - think the hardest part was waiting to actually get into the raid think I was queued in for 5 hours.
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Indeed it is, but the average LFR player isn’t going to pay enough attention, try hard enough, or not-lag (a moment of silence for a middle-of-the-country friends with 1k ping) enough to do even those simple mechanics.
… and that’s okay. I don’t think anyone sincerely believes that getting to see the boss die and watch the cinematic is an experience reserved for competent players, given they could just YouTube the cutscene if they wanted to.
It always come back to “deserving” the gear drops… and LFR drops the same gear as regular mythics**, which are much easier. That low quality of drops alone is enough for me to not care how easy LFR is. It’s relevant to a character’s gearing progress for like… one week, then it doesn’t matter anymore.
The last time I really “hardcore” raided (pushing progression heroic raiding - back when that was the peak of it, since mythics didn’t exist yet), LFR was an absolute joke and it wasn’t a gamebreaking issue… potato players getting mediocre gear didn’t change much at all, really. Just made gearing alts a tiny bit easier for others.
** Actually not true for N’zoth - my bad. 440 from N’zoth, 430 (same as mythic) for the preceding 10 bosses. But… still. It’s not gamebreaking.
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I am eternal. 
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While I disagree on your concept of the average lfr player (since that’s what I’d consider myself to be)
I’ll submit to the fact that you have more experience with this than I do.
I haven’t done the raid since I beat it the first time.