Please nerf LFR N'Zoth (again)

I have no idea. I would do almost that by only pressing solar wrath with 0 stacks. I can’t figure out how people do so little. The only thing is that they just are not pushing buttons. They don’t even have to be good buttons just anything!

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LOL, seriously! If we are being totally honest, I could literally faceroll my keyboard and probably do 30k with 10 stacks. If my nose was larger, I might be able to eek out 40K! Damn my bad genes!

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Necks are a nerfed 1 minute cd in lfr. You could literally press it as soon as possible and again every time it’s available and you would be completely fine.

I did mention that they needed to push the button before going into the portal.

Mindgrasp isn’t that big of a deal - sanity loss from that isn’t enough to wipe the raid if they push their button. The button is on a 60 second CD in LFR, so it is up WAY more than necessary.

I assume that someone in the LFR is leading the raid and will set up groups, so I didn’t put that as a concern for the raid as a whole.

You can have 3-5 people soak as long as they know how to use the button. In LFR, there will almost always be that many people who refuse to move - in this case it is beneficial.

For the rotating door of LFR participants, I usually just ask when the new ones arrive if they have ever done it. If not, I tell them only what they need to know as far as what group they are in and what the button does. Throughout the raid, I’ll announce important mechanics.

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Actually you’re 100% wrong. LFR doesn’t have any fewer mechanics than Normal - so they skill is about, say 20% less than needed on normal. They nerfed the size and speed of spread on Anguish pools, made the corrupted neurons (tentacles) shock psychus at 15 yards instead of 8 and made it so tanks can’t get Paranoia. They didn’t remove any mechanics like they do on a lot of Normal fights.

LFR should be easier than Normal because people in LFR tend to be, broadly speaking, incompetent and their gear is often very, very poor whereas were you to fight N’Zoth on Normal there is an extremely high likelihood by that point the raid would be as geared as they are going to get (which is why N’Zoth drops higher ilvl loot than any other boss in the raid).

I’m doing the Vale dailies because I want the rank 4 essence purely because I got the rank 4 essence from Uldum on my first try. It’s a completionist thing which is no less a valid reason than any other in a video game.

People farm N’Zoth at all levels, at least as far as people capable of wielding
the weapons he drops are concerned, because said weapons automatically corrupt with rank 3 Twilight Devastation and whatever one is on the caster sword making it a BiS replaced only by a version from a higher difficulty of N’Zoth.

You just said it is nerfed

And didn’t mention the 60 second cd on the full sanity recovery necks too. The thing that trivialises the only punishing mechanic in there.

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This is my main - did you not read any of the thread or just the first comment? Also who logs LFR? lmao

Fair enough. Of course it’s a valid reason it just means you are making a choice of what to spend your time on. You can’t blame your own choice for stopping you from raiding if you chose to.

I strongly suspect there’s a lot of boting going on right now in LFR as I as well have encountered people doing 20k dps with 10 stacks of determination.

If people use it when they come right out (which is a huge loss of dps on n’zoth) then they will likely wind up losing a ton of sanity to mishandled paranoia because literally everyone doesn’t seem to know how to handle that no matter how often it is explained. In reality you should have so much sanity after the pull that you don’t need to use your heart until the Mind Gate opens. If you go into that first Psychus phase w/ deathwing and his disorients with less than 100% sanity and you get hit by a disorient into an Anguish pool (as many do) then it’s game over. Also, many, MANY people do not understand the Heart is a CHANNEL (because the Cloak was instant I imagine) so they click and immediately move or start casting which wastes the CD.

I did forget that but I’ve seen the fight done on normal and if you avoid all the sanity draining mechanics (which will often kill you outright anyway - Anguish) the 2 min CD isn’t an issue.

You are right it Shouldn’t be an issue at all and yet it obviously is hence the thread. Of course using it right away isn’t good game play but my point is that it would still be good enough to get the job done. It’s lfr, it’s like watching birds flying into Windows.

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It’s 3 mins on normal, which is a big difference since you’re only going to get one shot at using it per phase if you’re in the portal group

It doesnt take more work. It just takes more than closing your eyes and mashing

Did it once for the 3k AP, will never step foot into LFR N’Zoth again. I like it this way though, as it’s incentive to do normal which is faster to start and a much more smoother run.

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You act like the people wanting it nerfed only step foot in LFR. I suspect that’s not the case. Seems like any reasonable complaint about the difficulty of LFR brings M2 people out of the woodwork to tell us all how easy it is and how bad everybody else is. Whatever… I was in raid tonight and we were all laughing about how none of us was ever going to set foot in LFR N’Zoth again.

If it’s such a pain that experienced players refuse to for the fight, then there is a problem with the fight. If people were complaining Normal, Heroic, or Mythic was too hard, I would laugh. This is LFR though. You aren’t supposed to spend 3 hours and 20 wipes waiting in queue 5-15 minutes between pulls until a group of people decide to join who are solid enough that they can mostly handle the mechanics.

At this point, it’s no skin of my teeth. I’m not going in there ever again. I will do the first three zones, but I won’t ever queue for Carapace again, at least not in its current state.

Thats not the issue, experienced players kill nzoth on higher difficulties, thats all, why would you ever set foot in LFR Nzoth when you already kill him on hero/mythic, this doesnt help your argument.

While I agree that people should learn, LFR is meant for those who just want to see the content.

If Nzoth was a faceroll boss it still wouldn’t matter as it’s LFR. That is what LFR is intended for. Story and looking at content.

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