It’s mostly a case of the vast majority of people being in favor of roleplaying, whether or not they actively participate in it. Intentional disruption is rare since the population of people who want to disrupt is so small; you have to be pretty dedicated to find your way to an RP realm just to cause chaos.
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A lot of non-rp’ers played on DD simply because it was community fresh, like myself. There was little to no disruption, at least as far as I’m aware. Maybe, Bloomhoof can attest to something different though.
Still probably a pretty unique environment compared to a standard server though, no? If I remember correctly, that was when the community revived an era server completely on their own; that would inherently require more cooperation than a standard, fresh server.
There are absolutely plenty of non-roleplayers who choose to play on RP realms, but such players tend to make this choice due to the reputation of the community; they want a more friendly and immersive environment, and thus are unlikely to try to interfere with those roleplaying. From what I’ve seen, the classic PvP community would probably not be particularly welcoming of roleplayers on their server.
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I also played on DD. There was very little disruption because of the fact it was marked RPPVP. And most guilds helped to keep it a friendly place for RPers by making it against the guild rules to disrupt RP events.
On a normal PVP server, you won’t have that, and the consequences for griefing will be non existant.
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Having a “good vibes only” sign or a guild description as being “LGBTQIA+ friendly” posted on the door also isn’t inherently protection against bad vibes or bigotry - but rather it’s a way of signaling the intent behind the environment being cultivated. It gives a rallying point for people who are interested in that kind of environment. And the hope is also that people would see those, and if that’s not what they align with/the vibe they want to hang out with, they’ll self-select away from it.
As for DD (an RP-PvP realm), I’d like to point out that the community-lead “phases” WAS RP in its own right. Which a minority did break from, but the majority of players respected the guidelines and those who did break from it generally weren’t terribly disruptive to the “phase followers”
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Was there disruption relative to your RP events or RP events that you know of, outside of phases?
My point being, if there isn’t going to be single layers on RP-PVP realms, I don’t think the alleged protection offered by being an RP realm, is worth fracturing the communities.
I think DD is a shinning example of this, since it had both RP’ers and non-rp’ers coexisting. I mean it’s not like DD is a bunch of holy rollers; as I know you are on the DD discord, so I’m confused on your whole “good vibes” spiel.
That is an ironic point considering I don’t think ANY of the realms (minus Hardcore) is going to be layer free.
In another point on layers, there is 0 fracturing because we are gathered on a server with Roleplaying Ruleset.
Can’t find your RP event or friend? …You invite them to group and BAM same layer.
In the very first post, and throughout the thread, there is acknowledgement of non-RPers and their benefit to the server.
They are there to avoid queues or they like the vibes. Plenty don’t/can’t/not ready to Roleplay and just love the immersive environment.
Also, Deviate Delight is an RPPVP server, not to shock you or anything.
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I don’t think you are understanding my points, and In fact I am posting from my 60 DD character lol.
My point is to say the reason I play(ed) on DD was not to RP but rather that it was a single layer, and also it’s an EST server. But there were also many like me.
The fracturing is in relation to making 5 realms as opposed to 3, plus SoD, Cata classic, era, and retail. I think for the benefit of the longevity and sustainability of fresh, it would be best to have three realms.
DD is listed as an example because it shows you RPer’s and non-rpers can coexist on a server, so that the player base wont be as fractured as it would be with 5 fresh realms.
Non-Roleplayers are welcome to co-exist alongside us on the Roleplay Ruleset server. There’s been plenty of non-RPers and they have been very fun to play with.
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You’re still missing the point. Thanks for the discussion though.
I feel this fresh going to be just as popular as last, especially with the additions this time around.
PvP and PvE server going to be sardine packed.
This has been my whole point.
I got called names, including a troll, been reported, got met with backlash because I feel the same way as you.
Less servers is better because the longevity of fresh.
I have said this a lot here, blizzard always launches too many servers and then servers die, you need paid xfers, or server mergers or free xfers off those dead realms anyway.
Might as well skip that part and just launch fewer servers.
Grobb already proved different communities can coexist, because Grobb took on thousands of refugees when it was the only server to free xfer too.
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I do think that having both PvP-RP and PvE-RP would be a bad idea, as it would scatter the RP community; so it would only be bringing the realm count to 4, including the Hardcore server.
Multiple layers are never ideal from a purely roleplaying standpoint, but it wouldn’t negate the point of an RP server. You would still be able to run into other roleplayers by chance, instead of needing organized events; and layers will probably be needed to keep these realms running smoothly, given how few of them there are.
I want to be optimistic, but I just don’t feel like the RP community would be able to exist in a healthy manner on the PvP realm.
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We’ll see. I didn’t play SoM, I feel that is the perfect bench mark for this, but I do think SoM lost a lot of interest quickly, although TBC wasnt announced following SoM, so that adds another variable.
I’m just speaking from experience of how so many abandoned the DD project, I hope fresh doesnt experience the same fate. Thus, why I’m arguing for larger but fewer initial servers. Although, based on the number of players I would be open to a RP and/or RP-PVP realm being opened if the other servers become locked early on.
Grobb thrived since the beginning, and was the ONLY PvP type server that remained 50/50 (BEFORE forced faction balance.)
We took refugees because THEIR servers died (and they werent RP servers that died, by the way.)
I wouldn’t say it’s thriving now, although I’d assume it’s doing better than DD. The only era server currently thriving is WMC, with Mankirk Cluster in a far distant 2nd.
I did not play SoM or SoD, but I believe those types became a novelty because of the things they added to them. They were testing the waters of how the crowds responded, as all of this, including this fresh release, is more or less a social experiment as they prep for their next MMO.
And Deviate Delight unfortunately had a rough start from the beginning. It was released 2ish weeks after the fact since Grobbulus was so packed with queues.
But the people had already set their schedules around the west coast server, had progress in their characters, chosen names, and new friends/guilds, and they did not want to uproot from the Grobb Mob (I don’t blame them.)
The DD Project was a fantastic movement, but DD was already struggling from creation.
Indeed, though I was speaking in general. Era is another niche, but I am glad they allowed to have them so folks who don’t want to progress can still enjoy the version they love.
DD picked up a lot of steam in June/July, which is when I started playing there but a lot of the streamers left, as well as WD. This was when a lot of people started leaving the server, with the additional rumors of a fresh coming out.
DD is great, some of my best memories in WoW; it made me really sad when the server started hemorrhaging players, which is why I don’t want it to happen to other players on other servers, and why my stance in this discussion is the way it is. But maybe my view is due to my own bias and pessimism about fresh servers.
May you find another thriving community to create more classic memories with 
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Thanks friend. Maybe we will meet up in fresh.
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