Please for discussion now that SOD is out

That’s fine, the rats who hide can disagree.

It’s irrelevant anyway tbh, at the end of the day some of us will full clear (me) and some of us will have to hide and lie on the forums about full clearing (you).

We all know in game tho that 10m is a meme, the facts are the facts.

Harder hitting mechanics vs mechanics that don’t hit as hard.

More people in the boss encounter means more chances people can mess up vs less people so more room to not mess up , like Sinestra slicers or Nefs adds.

Much more boss Hp in relation to the amount of players, 10m bosses just fall over, hence the kill times.

You prolly don’t know those fights tho.

Lol you havent even listed any facts to back what your saying ive come with facts and stats to prove that 10man are harder then 25man but you just cant face the facts and want to argue

because you “feel” like 25mans are harder then 10mans doesnt make them harder!!! FACTS DONT HAVE FEELINGS!!!

The fact is that theres are more Pulls to kill in 10man then 25man which means 25man is easier then 10man if 25man was harder then there would be more pulls to kill ratio but that isnt the case.

Those things i listed are literal facts if you do the fights.

Take nef adds on 10m you get half the adds than on 25m.

So 1 tank has to learn how to control them or you wipe, but on 25 man you use 2 tanks to control them since theres double the adds. Thats the only part of Heroic Nef that can really wipe you.

Which is morel ikely to cause a wipe, relying on 1 person to do something or 2 people to do something while throwing rng at them??

Same with Sinestra.

Both difficulties spawn 2 slicers, but on 25 man you have more people to watch out for, hence 1 wrong slicer killing 12 people. You have less people to watch out for on 10m.

This isnt even talking about how 25m raid abilities do way more damage, or how the boss health is much much higher in relation to the number of people in 25m

Your “data” isnt actual data, its pulls from 2 different groups of people.

You can literally go boss to boss and see why its harder on 25m comparing damage, fight length, etc.

10 man is a meme, im sorry you think it isnt.

You also wanna know why you have more wipes? Because you have people like Amideus and Williamferal bolstering up your wipe numbers by wiping 40 times a week on content they have on farm.

Tbh im kinda done debating with you, you dont even play Cata lmfao, you sub to troll the forums, prove youre 13/13H.

so 10man has 15 less people and has 1/2 the adds but 25man has 1 extra tank to handle the extra adds. You think having the same amount of adds in 10 and 25 is logical?

Its data pulled from WCL and Wowhead sorry that the facts dont agree with your thought process but at the end of the day thats the facts from 2 reputal sources. get over it. no matter how much you cry it doesnt change the facts or the data that determined the facts. ive brought you numbers multiple times and you havent brought any data, numbers to back up anything your saying.

BRING the prof!!!
Where is your data?
Where is your source?
Facts dont have feelings!!!

No i dont, i never said i did.

All i said was that since 25m has DOUBLE the adds more things can go wrong, thats a fact, its the same in EVERY fight.

Longer fights, more things can go wrong.

More damage from literally every ability means people die more and more things can go wrong.

Literally anyway you slice this 25m is harder.

No you reading the data in a way that you think means your argument is right is the only feelings going on here.

Wipe counts dont matter which has been told by several people.

The data is in the fights.

Also when you go to WCL and select a fight it defaults to 25m for a reason…its the non-meme version of the raid.

Hell take a tank and spank fight like chimeron.

The fastest kills for both sizes.

10m 2:06

25m 3:01

25m needs to bring 4 healers and 10m needs to bring 1…

Almost like 10m is a damn joke and you dont take damage lmfao.

You can literally compare every fight like that.

Facts dont lie, 10m is a meme, im sorry your little club of Amideus and Williamferal are just bad.

but wait there’s MORE healers!!!

Lol most guilds take 2-3 healers for Chimeron because of the healing intestiy of the fight especially in prog.

WE ARE TALKING PROG not farm kills

progession kills are what proves difficulty of raids not farm kills!!!

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You need a chocolate milk or something drinknblink.

Unreal.

And yes i heal it 10s on a hpally and 25s on a disc priest. So i know unlike just pressing damage. Its not difficult to comprehend how more raid cds and in 25s the ratio of alive to floor pov isnt as… impactful :smiley:

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Well when you’re finally done progging let me know and we can compare wipe amounts.

Are you thinking you will have t11 fully cleared before Mop launches?

Character name?

Why you hiding?

This is bait.

I’ll save some cybersleuthing time, this is an alt.

Just responded cause i wanted to bump the OP in the offchance a CM comes here once every blood moon.

What is a CM?

And do what exactly??

Ban me for saying 25m is harder than 10m???

Ah I get it another 10m struggler, sorry you’re struggling on the meme version of the raid.

Idc about you i want a CM to see the bug reports rofl. You’re irrelevant.

again what is a “CM”

Community Manager, aka, blue poster.

lol those are called GM’s buddy and they have no control over bug fixes your best bet is report the bug ingame and hope that blizz will fix it in 3 years

Y’all are starting to remind me how weird the forums are.

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GMs and blue posters are not the same. Vrakthis over in the CS forums is not a GM. You will only ever interact with a GM via a ticket.

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CS forums? your not making any sense here the blue posters here are called mods or gms not “CM’s” rofl now back to the subject on hand

Blizz needs to fix the game