What I was saying was when horde talk about alliance “7 minute wins” we’re talking about the time it says on the scoreboard (when you press shift+space)
Alliance premades win anywhere from 6-8 min depending on their dps and if we turtle or pick off or w/e
That video shows horde winning in 3 min 40 seconds but thats from the moment the gates open.
The gates dont open until 2 min 15~ seconds. So that puts a horde win at 6 minutes (if done perfectly every time, assuming we have good dps and no1 messed up and you actually have a decent amount of people to get to van).
So 6 minute van win (if done perfectly)
7-9 min drek win with alliance premade.
I wouldnt exactly call 1-3 minutes “way faster” or “plenty of time” when facing an actual premade of alliance who play games with each other all day.
Dude when we do the Warmaster kite we need to kill drek in 20 seconds. Not “5 minutes”. If Drek isn’t dead after 20 seconds we wipe, Horde can’t do the same thing because they always have 25 on defense. If you actually knew how the strategy works you’d realize it isn’t dependent on having a paladin or even jumping from the waterfall. And how easy it is to break it up and send the entire Alliance force north. For around 10 seconds we can’t AoE, Heal, eat, drink and even bandage in order for the strategy to work. One good Horde rogue/mage or one bad Alliance player can easily screw it up.
It IS dependent, however, on actually having a coordinated, capable offense of 30+ people, which is apparently beyond the capabilities of Horde players.
So because reasons it’s acceptable to have the distance for ally start to finish being longer than horde, even though it was corrected in later versions of xpacs.
This doesn’t need to be fixed
And yet.
The war masters can be pulled seperate than drek and kited, it’s exploiting and needs to be fixed because it was addressed in a later xpac.
But because the distance is only “slight” for you, mainly because it’s an advantage for you, it’s ok.
Horde cant kill the boss in 3 minutes. Its 6 minutes Because the video displayed showed the timer starting after the gates opens which takes 2 min 15 sec
We reference alliance premade wins to 7 minutes we refer to the time on the score screen which includes the 2 min 15 seconds in the cave.
So in reality its not “WAY EASIER” for horde to rush van and win. In ideal circumstances for both teams yes horde would win 100%
However we are talking about alliance premades vs horde pugs 80% of the time.
almost 100% of games i cant even convince horde to send some to stall alliance and go straight to van. Everyone wants to go to bal and lose.
So in conclusion again, (incase you dont know how to read) killing van is only marginally quicker for horde to do than alliance killing drek. 3 minutes is not the full game time from before the game starts to finish. Alliance kill drek in 5 minutes if you remove cave time.
If you’d read through the thread you’d know the Horde can do similar ‘exploits’, ignore WMs, etc…
Are you intentionally being dense? That’s what kiting entails.
You can’t honestly think that’s an exploit- and if you really do, then there’s going to need to be millions of bans going out. Watch basically every ‘solo boss’ video out there and they’re all a solo player repathing a boss constantly.
I don’t think it is an exploit I know it is an exploit for reasons already stated. Using an NPC in game to gain an unfair advantage over the enemy team is in fact an exploit. These players aren’t just doing it either they are throwing it in our face with the laugh and taunt spams as they do it too. There needs to not only be a fix for this but these players need to be punished for doing this. There needs to be suspensions and major honor loss for all players involved in a game that ended in 7 minutes and ended it in this fashion. This kind of behavior in AV cannot be rewarded. It has to be punished or they will keep doing it and continue to find more ways to exploit in the game even more.
Lost an argument so you resort to insulting. You’ve been proven wrong on this many times. If you don’t have something with substance to contribute to this conversation then just go que for your next 7 minute exploited AV win.
Your feelings are not facts and have proven nothing, with the videos showing horde being able to do it then there isn’t an advantage, just a bunch of drooling horde needing to get better.