I literally don’t, because her character is not one we’re supposed to care about. This thread is about Turalyon, my original response is about what Turalyon did, and my response to you is centered on Turalyon’s actions.
Because all the Naaru up until Xera were chill and reasonable, she’s the first Naaru that demonstrated what happens when the Naaru want you to do something and you 100% do not want to do that.
Citation needed
??? Avenging your crystal waifu after she got blown up vs letting crystal waifu jail your wife for centuries isn’t something a fanatic wouldn’t do???
The fact Turalyon did not leave when his wife was to be imprisoned, the fact he trusted a sparkling chandelier over his wife, demonstrates a fatal flaw in his character with regards to his devotion to the Light.
Despite how Blizz has a habiting of doing this, I’m all for him being the villain. He seems to be 100% ok with torture in Shadows Rising, his devotion to the light borders on fascism and compared to characters like Tirion, Uther, and Arthas he’s the most dullest paladin imo.
And Alleria is about a plot device character death (her son) away from becoming a void nut job.
Did they change the dictionaries in the last few years? Turalyon hasn’t demonstrated any fascist behaviour nor do his beliefs predispose him to fascism.
Someone like Lor’Themar, ironically, is more a fascist, with his imprisonment of political dissenters and recurrent banishments of political/ethnic groups deemed a danger to the state.
You mean how he was extremely okay with Alleria going to jail for thinking maybe the Void/Shadow isn’t that bad contrary to what Light Mother Prime Naaru Xe’ra said?
Or how about how when he saw undead Alonsus he at first refused to believe that his friend was still with the Light because of his undeath and he literally blasted him with Light that would’ve killed him if he wasn’t Light-aligned?
Or how about the couples-BDSM torture technique on a random civilian?
People like to throw around the word fascism these days, it’s fascionable. Anyone using real life political allegories for characters casually shouldn’t be taken seriously, anyway.
Not only is much of this a blatant misconstrual of the story, it’s not even indicative of fascism. ‘Believing in things I don’t like is fascism’ is some twitterati-tier smoothbrain discourse.
??? Your measure of fascism is “imprisoning political dissent”, which is literally what Xera did and Turalyon cosigned lol this is literally your argument you stated
He literally blasted Alonsus with the Light as a “test”, knowing full well most Undead burn to a crisp in doing so.
He literally actually canonically tortured a random civilian with Alleria to extract information; Alleria did the mental tentacle while Turalyon held the person down with shackled of Light.
WTB Alliance posters with a shred of self awareness and argumentative honesty
Which is a terrible measure of how fash something is. Every ideology, blue, red, green or bloody purple, have imprisoned the opposition at times, or in other ways stiffled it. It’s much to general, and there are much better indicators.
Unless I read the book wrong, this is actually incorrect.
If I recall, Alleria was the one who was like “Lets use void to get into their heads” and Turalyon’s response was “WTF is this coming from.” He did end up yielding to his wife and agreed they didn’t have any other options and he could use the Light to heal them afterwards.
So a fascist my Light or the Highway, he was not. Whipped? Very much so.
Mentioned the Turalyon’s complicity with the void torture above, but the test of Alonsus was at Faol’s own suggestion. He wasn’t a fan of undead Faol because why would he be, but he didn’t instantly blow the priest to pieces as soon as he showed up. Foal told him to “Check to see if I’m not me.”, Turalyon checked, and then started crying that his old friend was alive…ish.
That was his FIRST response. Alleria relented and did it his way, asking the civilians, but nobody said anything.
Turalyon on page 91 of the hardcover agrees her method is necessary,
“We could question the others,” he scrambled to say. “Or…”
“Or take the information we need,” Alleria replied.
He glanced at her askew again. “Is this who we have become?”
[…]
[Alleria describes how she’d torture sylvanas with the void]
That settled it for Turalyon. He turned and began the plodding journey back up the slope. “Whatever the cost, then,” he said.
He agreed the torture had to be done once his first attempted failed.
The test was testing to see if he would blow up, and again same as with Xe’ra and same as with Alleria, he said “yolo sure”. So that’s three times he’s given in to extremist response of his own free will at the behest of another.
Sorry, but Turalyin was using the light to torture orcs way back in RTS games?
He was set up as a person to pursue orcs and attempted to wipe them out, didn’t he?
Him continuing it is not really changing his character, it’s being consistent with it.
He even recently tortured some civilians too. But it’s ok because they were healed afterwards.
Turalyon going rogue would be in his character. And he being convinced he is the good guy doing it would be also in his character.
Yes let’s take a character from when the IP had an entirely different feel and direction to it and paste him over the current Turalyon who has displayed more nuanced tendencies in line with modern characters… because you want an Alliance villain.
Why are we talking about “facism”? Turalyon might be “Dogmatic”, with perhaps hints of “Fanatic” … but I hardly think he’s shown Fascist tendencies. Which means that he is devout, and generally good person, but is capable of flaws. And those flaws can be windows and avenues for mistakes, manipulations, exploitations, and (provided he survives) consequences, self-reflection, and growth. Which is part of why its so frustrating that “allowed and meaningful flaws” are so rare within the Alliance case; and why flaws are so often portrayed as the equivalent of “Evil” within the Horde.
And while he certainly wasn’t as blind to what Xe’ra was as some on here would like to portray; he also was nowhere near as resistant to her as those on the other side of the fence would like to believe. So as stated above, Turalyon (despite his physical appearance) has enough potent dents in his armor that he could be used to make for a pretty good antagonist (not villain). At least temporarily. Especially with the position he currently finds himself, as well as those who support and surround him (the H.Of.Nobles and Lothraxian).