Depending on Lothraxion’s ultimate allegiance, him as Turalyon’s adviser could go any number of directions. It’d be interesting if the Nathrezim were the ones behind this Light fantacism angle; a Nathrezim was manipulating the Scarlet Crusade - villainous Light-weilders, and we know they have ties with Denathrius working against all the other cosmic forces.
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Exactly! Turalyon is also apparently backed in his current interim High King position by the House of Nobles. And I’m sure many of them have long since grown sick of Anduin’s passivism; or would be open to buying what a group like the Lightbound were selling. And wasn’t one of the whispers that “The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all?” The Nathrezim perhaps? On top of the fact that this “Light Mother” is VERY likely a Prime Naaru like Xe’ra. There are a lot of things to play with here that could allow for that Turalyon antagonist role; without him being rendered a villain. Especially if its only temporary.
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And earlier poster defined Fascism as “Imprisoning political dissenters” and thus Lorthemar is Fascist but Turalyon is not when lmao
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I don’t take everything Il’gynoth says seriously, but Turalyon getting led around by politics sounds good. He has a lot of good qualities, but a head for politics doesn’t seem to be one of them. By the way, what would you say is the difference between an antagonist and a villain?
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Turalyon had no problem with Xe’ra violating Illidan…Mr. T is a sycophant of the light…If the light told him to purge the alliance of the heathens, he would gladly do it.
Cue the civil war in the Alliance.
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Antagonists are capable of being antagonistic, and adversarial, but that doesn’t inherently make them evil or villainous. They are simply in a position to run counter to all/or some of the Protagonists. And that need not be over something as black and white as good vs evil. But perhaps, two different visions of “what is good”. Villains can also have more nuance as well, but generally within WoW … they tend to take on the FF Villain motif. Of being so obsessed with their convictions that ANY MEANS justifies ANY ends. To the point where they are just blatantly evil to anyone but themselves (aka Sylvie).
Which IS why I find the Lightbound and their goal of “saving the evil races from themselves” as conceptually very interesting. As they have had many willing converts of many races as far as we’re aware; its just that those that refuse are converted by force (for their own good). Frankly, its is a ideology that I do think could resonate very heavily in an Alliance faction that has had its faith shaken by recent events … and has been so brutally wronged by the peoples of the Horde. It could be seen as a more permanent and lasting alternative to the detestable “eradication” (that seems far more humane on paper).
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I didn’t see violation, in that cinematic I saw rehabilitation for a fel addict who decided he’d rather kill than go without his fix; makes it look like the moral of the story was “never come between an addict and their fix.”
Turalyon’s no sycophant, he conceded his undead buddy Faol wasn’t evil, was able to come to terms with Horde paladins - like Liadrin - he even disagreed with Xe’ra on things (and she even listened to him at times).
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Enormous Yikes™
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Thank you for explaining, that does make sense for the differences between villains and antagonists.
It could be particularly resonant as the Lightbound have at least something of a valid point given their past experiences at the hands of the Iron Horde; the Orcs did that without demonic corruption (at most a vision was involved, but visions in Warcraft aren’t foolproof or always accurate).
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keep looking at the cinematic…when Xe’ra dies, you can see Mr. T’s light addiction literally drain from him to his normal look.
I see no nothing between DHs and the Army of the Light.
Again, he doesn’t seen individuals as long as they are for the light. Priests Paladins are followers of the light.
Sycophants don’t mind others as long as they believe the same thing they believe.
Blizz are the ones who made the narrative bend over backwards to try and portray Xe’ra’s attempt to cure Illidan’s addiction negatively.
Besides, I think it’s out of character for none of the Lightforged Draenei to get angry with Illidan killing Xe’ra; they’d served with/under her a lot longer than Turalyon did. But Turalyon did listen to Velen, so he’s not a one-track mind guy.
She was literally trying to forcibly Lightforge him which by then we had been told alters not only your body but also your mind.
Super imposing a “stubborn addict” metaphor on Illidan when the clear as day meaning is she was trying to control him and overrule his will because she didn’t care what he wanted for himself really shows your colors and angle my dude.
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I’ve seen that cinematic, the problem is if that Light going out in Turalyon’s eyes meant anything, why did he try to avenge Xe’ra after her death? And why did he disagree with her on things when she was still alive?
Turalyon’s still Lightforged now that she’s gone. I think that eye color thing was maybe Xe’ra had a power-link with him like she made with us in the quest chain to retrieve Illidan’s soul. Turalyon isn’t missing memories, having headaches or under any geas, so that eye glow thing looks like a red herring.
Who, outside certain fan-theories, says Lightforging alters your mind?
Illidan is a magic addict; he outright says it to Kael’thas in Warcraft 3 and others have noted it in-universe and out.
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When your holy leader is killed, the sycophants will avenge the death of their leader.
Sycophants don’t question their faiths. Blind adherence to their beliefs.
I bet the lightforged will side with Mr. T when the next Naaru or Lothraxion, a dreadlord, convinces him to do the “Light’s bidding.”
Aren’t all DEMON hunters part demon? Demons are fueled by fel. He isn’t an addict of fel.
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No Sir, I’m bringing the stuff from the past and what he became famous of, and show that he did it and didn’t shy from it and he doesn’t shy from it now.
You’re the one who is upset him doing exactly what he did before because it might paint him in different light NOW. I just want a consistency and I pointed out that he did it before, so him doing the same thing again shouldn’t be a shocker.
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If you’re reading “Atlas Shrugged” right now, put it down and pay attention.
Sycophants appeal to those more powerful than themselves for selfish gain, that’s what a sycophant is, I think a more accurate word would be “obsequious”. Turalyon is a sincerely altruistic believer, not a sycophant.
Turalyon also asked questions and disagreed. I brought up his attempt to avenge Xe’ra to disprove the notion he was being mind-controlled or that Lightforging = mind-controlling.
Illidan’s an addict, that’s part of why he accepted Sargeras’ offer in the first place before his last minute change of heart… the rest was envy of his brother and being hurt that his crush rejected him (violence cos his crush rejected him… there’s a word for people like that, starts with “i” and rhymes with “cowbell”).
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Its sort of ironic that the visions used on AU Grom were actually insanely accurate, unlike the ones given to Gul’dhan by KJ. Its just the context of those visions were heavily twisted by the one presenting them to meet his own ends (Garrosh, who very much is the KJ of WoD’s settup). I mean, all he really did was use a time crystal to show his father visions of the post WC2 Orc internment camps, without any of the context on how they got there. To impart upon his father the belief that if he did not invade Azeroth, it would result in the enslavement and extinction of the entire Orcish race.
Garrosh pulled a Modern Media on his dad lol! Using real events out of context to reinforce his agenda. AU Grom and the Iron Horde are victims of media bias! 
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Sycophant will be turned to extremism. sorry dude.
“The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.”
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Thank you. I was being a bit douche-y myself.
If Il’gynoth is right, that could mean Azshara or Calia too. Turalyon is a regent as Anduin hasn’t died, abdicated or been overthrown.
Azshara’s titles include “Light of Lights”, and Calia’s situation is up in the air. Plus darkness is the Void’s bread and butter; I wouldn’t put it past them to cause trouble and try to pin it on their arch-enemy the Light.
Of course, this all speculation.