Also kinda sad that blizzard did pull that off with Rastakhan and Jaina in BoD.
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People were screaming for Jaina’s head on a platter before she touched Thrall’s bicep.
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Doesn’t mean she got the ‘villain bat’. The whole ‘villain bat’ is more on the community these days than Blizzard. If you think Jaina got ‘villain batted’ in BoD because she was a raid boss, you need to go back to school and learn the significant difference between an Antagonist and a Villain. Neither Jaina nor Rastakhan were villains during BoD. G’huun, Azshara and N’zoth were Villains.
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And in the inverse example you have characters like Sylvanas in BfA and Arthas in Warcraft 3, who were villains but also protagonists.
Exactly. You can have a story where the ‘villain’ is also the protagonist. Avengers Infinity War is a more recent example, in which Thanos is the protagonist as it is his movie. From his PoV, the Avengers are the antagonists. So many people don’t know that protagonist simply means main character. If your main character just so happens to be the antagonist (or villain) as well, that is completely fine.
Yeah, there are plenty of combinations … its just a shame that it feels like Blizz “oops accidents” into anything other than PURE GOOD vs PURE EVIL. Or “being antagonistic” or an antagonist, automatically means they are a villain. And as Ain just said, you can also be a villain … and a protagonist.
Which Blizz has pulled off before…
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Heroic antagonists vs heroic protagonists is a combination that is extremely challenging to pull off even for veteran writers with no restrictions (although when it is pulled off, it works really really well.) Personally I don’t think that Blizzard can pull it off even with excellent writers simply because of how constrained the setting is.
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I didn’t say anything about PvP.
I hope not. Seems like to me blizzard just loves to hit the villain bat or make characters have forced flaws that people continuely hate on.
Also the Light vs Void bit also feels kind of like a bad twilight story set up if you think about it more.
It wasn’t for millennia, Alleria isn’t’ his wife (though I’m surprised they didn’t get married) and Turalyon talked Xe’ra out of killing her, so he’s not “under the metaphorical naaru thumb” and Xe’ra wasn’t the uncompromising monster people say she was.
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One of the low-key coolest things about Turalyon and Alleria’s relationship is that it suggests that the Church of the Holy Light approves of relationships out of wedlock.
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Narrative implies it was
Well thank heavens to betsy for that lmaoooo
Delusional af, Xera said either she converts to the Light or she stays in prison for all eternity lmaooo
“compromise” are you kidding me
I hate it when people arguing with me quote mine me. The narrative is the short story “A Thousand Years of War”. That’s one millennium, not two or more.
Turalyon talked with Xe’ra because his disagreed with her, and Xe’ra listened and compromised. Fanatical or not and regardless of how anyone feels about the situation, going from “execution” to “imprisonment” is a compromise. You’re so caught up in how parts of the lore make you feel, you overlook the whole story.
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Well excuse me, she was imprisoned for CENTURIES much better
Actually letting a crystal chandelier jail your wife for centuries because of a difference of magical preference, where the crystal chandelier is giving you the options of “she dies” or “she stays in jail forever or until she converts”, is neither reasonable, a meaningful compromise, or good.
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inb4 “well what should he have done”
Leave. When the local/immediate government is trying to take bae away for a thought crime, you should leave. But he didn’t, cuz he was loyal to the Light more than to his own damn wife lmao
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I said it was a compromise, I never said whether I thought it was reasonable or not.
Plus magical preference is a big deal when the magic in question can drive people insane or mutate them (Alleria often talks about hearing the Void Lords whisper in her ear and fights to resist them).
The situation isn’t as simple as “Xe’ra imprisoned Alleria for thoughcrime”, this is war and Alleria was dabbling in the Void, a sworn enemy of the Light known to speak into and warp people’s minds. There’s a word for correspondence with the enemy during war, and it rhymes with “season”.
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The “enemy” was the Legion, not the Void.
And again:
I don’t even know how they’re still together to be honest, Alleria should’ve dumped him like a sack of bricks.
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They were focusing on the Legion but the Void was still a threat and an enemy (we see the Void making in-roads on Argus with Mac’aree).
Repeating your strawman doesn’t make it valid. Alleria wasn’t part of the Army of the Light, but she agreed to their rules while travelling on their ship, and even lied and/or broke her promise to Xe’ra that she wouldn’t work with the Void anymore.
While it could be argued that Alleria’s approach helped and whether Xe’ra reaction was disproportionate, Alleria lied to Xe’ra and colluded with an avowed enemy, how do you think Xe’ra should have handled that? Xe’ra had every right to be angry with Alleria for lying to her and working with her enemies.
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I don’t care about how Xera should have or could have handled it, her character serves as a demonstration of the tyranny and absolutist nature of the Light as seen with the forced purification attempt on Illidan. That is literally the point of the character.
What TURALYON should have done is:
And because of that, this notion that there is zero set up for “Turalyon going Light Fanatic” is completely incorrect.
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I overestimated you, and you clearly care about how Xe’ra handled it or we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
That’s not setup for Turalyon becoming a Light fanatic, that’s a fan with a grudge grasping at straws for validation of their personal views and feelings.
Blizzard themselves said Xe’ra was to raise the question of whether naaru are good, but didn’t say she’s absolutist or tyrannical. Turalyon tried to avenge Xe’ra when she got jobbed/edgelorded to death by Illidan, but still disagreed with her when she was alive, something a fanatic wouldn’t do.
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