Naxx is a neat choice, at least in concept. It could help facilitate what I hope the Forsaken use to deal with their population issues as well. Since once the Jailor’s influence is gone, there might by many Undead within the ranks of the Scourge who’s minds could still be salvaged. Those that are too far gone can be harvested for parts. That route is without a doubt one of the single most noble, yet non antagonistic ways for the Forsaken to deal with both their population and maintenance needs. They might even pick up a Sentient Undead Storm Giant or two from that effort lol! They are a “Mongrel Race” after all.
Plus, seeing a Necropolis with genuine Forsaken Aesthetics (rather than Scourge Aesthetics) might be cool. Especially one as grand as Naxx. I don’t share your opinions on Lordaeron (or at least Strat, because due to its harbor and proximity to the BEs that would actually be my preferred choice for a Forsaken capital if one had to choose) … but Naxx has some potential at least. And you’re right, it would allow for the Horde to finally get its own Dalaran for when mobile floating fortresses/cities are needed for the story.
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What content are you playing?
The Argents aren’t purifying the land, the Cenarions are, who assuredly aren’t doing it for humanity’s benefit. They do it just for love of the natural world.
There are Alliance settlers who move into the WPL. They’re dealt with alongside the rest of the Alliance in the WPL storyline.
There are of course non combatants who’ve joined the Argents who the Forsaken don’t bother and vice versa. But they’re again a rainbow coalition.
You’re conflating two entirely separate plot threads. The Argents want to root out the Scourge, and seem intent to hold on to the bases they rebuilt and fortified to continue their tireless watch against the forces of evil. They don’t care about the Horde and Alliance’s slapping competition.
And if there was ever going to be a point where the Forsaken attacked the Argents, I’m happy to say it came and left with Sylvanas. So I’ve no idea why they’d support an Alliance resettlement program. If anything they probably get a bunch of recruits from all the Horde and Alliance soldiers tired of this ish.
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I think that, flying or not, the Forsaken should live in some kind of necropolis. Regardless of whether or not it’s a Scourge one, a Maldraxxus one, or one that the Forsaken construct themselves, the Necropolis is the iconic undead structure of Warcraft.
It doesn’t need to be flying, as the Undercity itself was a necropolis (and it’s implied the kind of necropolis that Naxx originally was before it was levitated) but it probably should be.
Despite all the proposals that the Forsaken rebuild ruins and live in those, I think that Blizzard was correct in largely not having the Forsaken do that. Necropoli are too cool to go unused by the playable undead race.
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The Argents are extremely not fine with the Forsaken’s action in WPL and they both say so in-game and we’ve been told so by Cdev. That it never translated into open warfare doesn’t mean that the Argents perceive(d) the Forsaken as sunshine and rainbows, especially given the Forsaken’s stated objectives in Cataclysm (make more undead) were directly at odds with the Argents stated objectives (Lordaeron for the living)
You seem to conflate people being tolerant of individual undead to mean that they are tolerant of undead proliferation when that’s an entirely different matter.
I dunno, I think a floating necropolis seems more along the lines of a forsaken-themed airship, not a city hub.
/Looks at the purification slowly moving outwards from all their towers, and the tomb of Uther. They are trying to purify and heal the land, they just aren’t as adept at it as LIFE domain wielders. The whole life/death cosmology. Because LIGHT is the counterbalance to VOID. And my goodness, do you truly believe that the Argents are truly just hanging out in that region JUST to kill random undead? No, the eventual goal to is to purify and take back those lands. Throwing bodies at the remnants of the Scourge is hardly something long-term to rally behind.
I also have no idea what tangents you are on on here. I never mentioned the Forsaken attacking the Argents. I’m saying that Human Resettlment of the Northern Lordaeron territories would (provided they aren’t the most whitewashed race ever) very likely result in the slow, but methodical removal of the Undead from those regions. Including the Forsaken. As the balance of power shifted more and more in favor of Humanity. And I don’t think that the Argents would get in the way of that, as their people returned “home” (or have the power to stop it if they wanted to).
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The slow, methodical removal of undead is an inevitability over time via attrition alone.
Yes, yes, you are the most MHP ever. We get it. All hail the holy land. Gotta wipe that slate clean and resume Human Potential perfection and all that. If they aren’t portrayed as the most flawless immaculate race ever, what’s the point?
They can’t reproduce without hosts, and they need intelligent, complex, sapient hosts.
This has nothing to do with holy lands or whatever, it has to do with the fact that undead will disappear in the long term absent another zombie apocalypse.
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Do I take the lawful good guys at their word? Absolutely.
Am I worried about shifting population demographics in a setting where population numbers are just a picture of a dev shrugging? Absolutely not.
Your argument only makes sense in a world that behaves like our own. Which this does not. This is a place where a giant sword crashing into the planet is less of an ecological disaster than a bad earthquake, and races that had 90% of their population wiped out less than a decade ago can still summon a seemingly infinite number of standing armies.
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So you take the Alliance at its word?
Right, but considering the nearly endless masses of the Scourge … they are set for quite a while once any outside influences are let loose. Since there are probably many minds that could be saved. On top of the nice little window of “giving you a chance at more time” that Zelling showed us. For those who are close to death and want an alternative. Truly, if Blizz had even an ounce of cleverness, the Forsaken population issue would not be much of one. Its just Blizz doesn’t do “smart” or “subtle” anymore.
If its not bombastic and oozing giant lightshows of magic power, they don’t care.
So you’re argument is essentially “game mechanics will protect them”. And the expectation that Blizz will continue to portray humanity as the most flawless, incapable of anything grey race of all time? Or that a political group (like the Argents) don’t have agendas, or that those agendas cannot change? Also, we’ve seen rifts occur in the Orders of the Paladins before. What exactly would prevent that from happening again?
If the Argents did end up making the Plaguelands mostly habitable again, I don’t think Blizzard would write them as just deciding out of nowhere that all the Forsaken and other races need to go.
Instead, Blizzard would concoct a scenario in which some of the local Forsaken/Horde races are conspiring to act against the Humans or doing some nasty and unethical stuff, thus forcing the Argents to drive them all out by any means necessary. For the greater good, of course.
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We don’t know what proportion of them are saveable, and what’s more, they aren’t endless. They aren’t even nearly endless. We’ve already seen them removed almost entirely from zones that they used to thoroughly dominate like the WPL.
It might provide a temporary stopgap but it wouldn’t stop the inevitable decline of undead.
The people who would take this, at least in the Eastern Kingdoms, seem to be such a small minority as to be negligable.
The Forsaken might find more willing converts in the Horde, but for some reason the idea of the Forsaken raising fallen Horde as undead has never crossed anyone’s mind.
The Cenarion Circle is still together, non-partisan and helping to negotiate meetings between Thrall and Tyrande.
Why would the Argents be different?
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How exactly this is the case I haven’t a god damned clue tbh. Outside of Blizz just ignoring the issue and consequences of their own writing as much as they can. Just like they are with SLs here largely.
Because they are an apolitical group dedicated to a higher cause. Same with the Argents.
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Not to mention that the capital city and large parts of Tirisfal have been blighted into oblivion…and considering that you die in literal seconds, it’s probably even worse than Southshore meaning that nothing is going to exist there for the next couple of years or hundreds of years anyway.
I doubt the Cenarions would have helped to negotiate a meeting between Tyrande and Sylvanas.