Recall for a moment that the leader of the Cenarion Circle is Malfurion “I’ll let you live so you can tell the Horde about how I bury Orcs alive” Stormrage
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Sigh … yeah. This is sort of my point. Its not that it makes overt sense, or that they have some overwhelming overarching mission, that would allow them to overlook recent events. The Cenarian Circle is overwhelmingly NE inspired, NE themed, and heavily NE manned. Created by an NE Leader. Like, the idea that there is not some serious internal turmoil after the events of BfA … is largely probably more as a result of Blizz not wanting to deal with it. Just like they didn’t want to deal with those reps affiliated with them having ANY say in the path of the Horde Plot-Device in BfA Itself. And, as far as the Alliance are aware, they’ve been burned by Horde members of “Neutral” organizations before. With the Sunreavers in Dalaran. Which is why thus far, ONLY Aethas (the leader of the victims) has been forced to beg and make apologize.
At the bare minimum, you’d think the NEs would want to the Horde reps of their organization out of the NE territories (like Hyjal and Moonglade) for the foreseeable future; even if they were allowed to remain with the group in general. But … SLs (and everything surrounding it) is just WoD2.0. An “escape from the consequences of our horrific Faction Conflict storyline” expansion.
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Droite. They’re the good guys. It’s not that complicated. And seeing how Blizz handled a war story recently, if they tried to tackle domestic racism I’d duck for cover.
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I’m definitely saving this quote for later use.
I actually think the opposite could be the case, but it would require a shift in how WoWmanity views undeath as a state of being. More opt-in undead like Zelling would be the way to go, letting people choose for themselves if they’re willing to stay dead or would rather stick around for a while. Sure, they’d be creepy and kooky and altogether spooky, but a “bring out your dead to bring back your dead” service in a setting where full resurrection is incredibly rare? As long as it was a consensual process, why not?
And logically (if such a thing can be applied to WoW), it would cause a change in living/undead perceptions as the process becomes more normalized. The more undead there are that haven’t gone through the “living people fear and reject you” phase, the more their community would shift to feeling less threatened.
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Then I should expect the Horde to be innately evil by birth monsters “who do evil crap because they’re X horde race lol!” And the reverse is true for the Alliance races. Who are inhumanly pure and flawless paragons of every moral virtue ever conceived by man". Since my entire problem with the overarching meta-narrative is this massive lack of nuance, then why should I not take those same issues with these “Neutral” (heavily Alliance dominated) groups? And there is no way in hell I would default to relying on it to back my arguments; because it is frankly trash writing … that has more and more largely been used as an excuse not to write Horde content. But rather largely tack the Horde onto “Alliance” stories.
Why is it taken as an assumed fact that it must be Humans and/or the Alliance who supply the bodies to support Undead proliferation? Maybe if the Forsaken were Alliance, but they aren’t.
Why doesn’t anyone talk about them starting to raise Orcs or Tauren or Trolls or Blood Elves?
It comes off as treating the Alliance as livestock.
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The Argent Dawn, Cenarion Circle and Earthern Ring are good guy factions. And they should be left as that. Uncomplicated by the tangled mess of the faction storyline.
The one time they involved a neutral faction in it, we got the absolutely embarrassing Purge of Dalaran. Where Jania, once the poster child for coexistence, commits an ethnic cleansing.
I’m good on that. Let’s just keep them the good guys.
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That WAS a pitch for hypothetical neutral and alliance undead. Because as they’d become normalized, they be far less likely to be forsaken by their loved ones.
This is assuming they find some non-valkyr method to do it. Maybe throw in some old-school mythological necromancy and talk to the spirit to get their okie-dokie first. The only races screwed out of the option would be night elves and worgen, since the former apparently only happened due to Sylvanas’s Jailer Juice, and the latter are already corrupted in their own way.
I’m not sure about that. The Valkyr could raise Elves as early as the Siege of Orgrimmar. Though Sylvanas only offers to do that for the dead belves we don’t see it and, well at this point with Sylvanas you can’t believe what she says, thinks, sees or even doesn’t see so who knows how accurate that is.
Whoops, I derped there. You’re right. I forgot they implied that was gradual jailer power too.
Okay, then we’re back to human-only privilege because nobody else can get the 1-Up.
Honestly if they just want to ignore that it’s fine with me. The Valkyr only working on vyrkul and humans made perfect lore sense and neatly tied in with undead human being the only playable option.
But there’s only so much angst a simple undead human can produce. Enter more unelves to just suck the fun out of everything.
Eh, technically every race has a playable undead option of sorts, thanks to the Death Knight class. The non-allied races even come with their own unique undead-ish skin tones, if I recall correctly.
Eh they can get some tips from Maldraxxus or something.
As long as Calia is in charge I’m pretty sure that the days of Forsaken raising new undead are over anyway.
Jinx. 
To say nothing of the fact that if it stays “only humans can be raised” then that just further solidifies the extent to which the Forsaken’s future is controlled by the Alliance, making the Forsaken’s continued presence in the Horde even more nonsensical.
Then you need to answer the question of “why in the name of all that is holy/unholy would the Alliance literally prop up a Horde race using its own flesh and blood while getting absolutely nothing in return. Less than nothing in fact because the process makes the Alliance weaker while simultaneously making the Horde stronger.”
I’m going to pull the pedant card and say human, not necessarily alliance. I’m sure you could find some pirate crews or something that want to get into bio-recycling.
Besides, I imagine this idea would only work in a post-faction-war hypothetical and probably not something that’d happen in WoW itself.
Not if you want to keep the Forsaken above replacement rate. If current trends continue the Forsaken would rapidly be reduced to an undead pirate alliance.
Which would be pretty cool but far from a civilization.
True. But DKs and the PC race are two very different types of undead. Most notably in terms of diet. Think of them as those finches with different beaks Dawrin sketched but with different forms of cannibalism.
DKs are more psychic vampires, the lamest vampires, as they really jones for some humanoid suffering. And can go into a kill crazy red thirst torture spree if withdrawal hits too hard.
Whereas the Forsaken can heal from feeding off, and are said to crave, humanoid flesh and blood. Not sure what their relationship to normal food is. But they do cultivate and sell mushrooms. My head canon is those are grown from corpses and is the closest approximation to a vegan option.
That’s actually not that big of a problem for this setting. For my own purposes I’ve this character craft like pork recipes from Quilboar, murloc for fish, poultry is hard to come by but ya know what they say tastes just like chicken. Beefs the rarity. Suffice to say he was heartbroken to see the Bloodtotem embrace fel magic because that makes everything taste of sulfur.
At least the story would have a use for Derek Proudmoore. Give him his own Black Pearl analogue with a barnacled-up crew.