they would still be more effective going bm if they are using a pet
You ask that like you have metrics to back it up so you tell me. “Imagine if they made it super OP” yeah what a good thought experiment…
End of the day if you run a pet you are always better off running BM and will never be optimal as marks with a pet. When they make this change they can focus on MM being about ranged physical dps, not “how can we make this work with a pet”
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The fact of the matter is I don’t even believe you when you say you are playing as non LW MM. What i think is more likely is this is just your typical forum contrariasm. Someone show me one log of their character in non LW MM that wasn’t made after this reply was made. (It wont happen)
Ah yes. That’s exactly what I said. My lord you are such a dishonest poster.
You - “Dont tell me what to do!”
Also you - “you should leave!”
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I’ve been told that lots over the years and I’ve stuck with what I like through the changes, if you and others like Marksmanship as much as you are claiming you’ll stick with it and adapt in order to keep playing it with your upcoming eagle.
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Is that why it won’t exist next patch? 
I don’t think that point hit how you thought it would.
If its bad, blizzard eventually prunes it or reworks it.
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Lets see if they will roll with it, they tried to make it wrong before and had to backtrack
I guess the new team just dont know yet
Not rly, the problem in fact is with your false premise saying the option was wrong, like there is a right or wrong - a duality - related to the choice, when it isnt, as its about optimization, i just went along with your nonsense.
Or they just added it back to stop the noisy minority. There is no telling.
I didn’t say it was wrong, that was the other person.
I was merely saying its bad therefore its being removed.
I know several that run mm just so they don’t have a pet.
I myself play frost fire mage, which is worse than both arcane and fire.
My fury war runs smf because its funny to out dps meta chasers.
And if you want to play sub optimally, you can. Those builds have existed since vanilla.
But those abilities usually go away after a time due to unpopularity.
I wouldn’t be surprised if their data shows crazy high lone wolf usage so they are going on data to prune pets.
Tbh I wish they were a bit more clear on how they go about stuff like this.
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My interpretation is that blizzard wants clearly defined differences between how the specs play so one is not ranged with one pet and the other is ranged with two pets. Allowing mm to be played with or without a pet blurs the line of what the spec is and messes with its identity a bit. This change clearly defines what blizzard wants mm to be and how its supposed to be played.
All this other talk about balancing and numbers is a distraction and besides the point.
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Yeah, sure, they would do something because the lousy minority, and not because it was overwhelming disliked and kept like that for more than 9 years until now, trust then bro
It was a false premise nevertheless
Thats literally not the reason they removed.
Anecdotal evidence, meh
We already know why, M+ players crying over the need to summon the pet, to lust, then unsumon.
But they chose the dumbest way to “fix” this issue, when they could just do like grimoire of sacrifice, they HAD to show they are reinventing the wheel, removing the pet, but shoving a bird, in a naive tentative to please both sides(the non pet and pet hunter).
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Eh I’ve quite literally quoted blizzard saying they want to redesign class fantasy for mm. But that point goes whoosh and the argument always comes back to meta and optimization.
But no I agree. I definitely feel like each spec needs a better class identity.
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So because they added it back and left it for 9+ years means its not a point of contention?
Its pretty apparent more people use lone wolf than not. Why would they make a change like this otherwise?
How do you know that wasn’t part of their reasoning?
They stated class fantasy redesign, but how do you know that was the only reason?
Okay and? Got non anecdotal to prove otherwise? Lol
Tbh I think reinventing the spec fantasy was the right decision.
The eagle however was the wrong direction lol.
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It means majority of the people want the option, and when they remove, people dislike it.
In what way? the only people who do that and cry over the pet are M+, arguable the second smallest group of players, they are minority;
Like i said, trying reinventing the wheel, its common blizzard break something to try to fix later
Yeah, as i did twice already
It was not necessary to remove something that was part of the spec and class for 20 years.
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If they can do that with other specs and classes and completely overhaul and change some like ranged Survival to melee Survival or Combat Rogue to Outlaw Rogue yes they can and they should because sometimes it’s for the better.
This not for the better, its worse of both worlds.
You can still make the suggested changes in the spec, and leave the damn pet alone
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I prefer the change as do most people that play Marksmanship.
They tried this and people still play the spec wrong so as it was already said they are making the change due more than likely internal data that shows most people do run lone wolf so they are just gonna push the rest to do it as well.
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Yet they made survival melee after a decade and a half of being ranged
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Thats great that you like when other people dont like things, i would rather have both sides to be pleased, but you do you.
Prove that tis the most people, prove it right now or drop this nonsense that you are claiming, since most people who play the game dont do mythics
There is no playing wrong
they did not said that, at all.
And they will roll back again because, surprise, most people dont do M+ and they actually want their pet in the pet class.
And it was still hated by most, and they said people to play MM
Now they are telling both old survival and MM players to play BM, there is a damn line to draw until you see forcing crap on players is not how you handle your rpg
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Brother stop fighting shadows and just open up a log to look at Black Arrow’s impact.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyFkV4CqHDwPcAZt?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=4
Remember; not only is the ability top damage by a mile, it also governs some other damage sources.
If this was true they wouldn’t have a meta for literally everything or always be changing specs, talents, etc. to be what they want you to be playing vs what you prefer playing, lol.
Really I remember people getting mad that they changed Survival to melee from ranged and they never rolled that back, I remember when they started streamlining specs so each one was more unique and people got mad but they didn’t roll that back, they don’t roll back most stuff.