Please Disable Twinking or allow people to queue for NON-twink bg's

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

19’s should really just be offed

PvP can happen in a PvP server.

[Espure-proudmoore (Espure)]

^ This . Well said

But at the end of the day we can take solace in knowing people who twink are just bad at pvp.

Correlation and all that.

Cause and effect, blizzard put twinks in a position where they had to fight mostly equal fights and they refused.

Twinks already weren’t that popular when they did that, and there’s no reason to do it when there’s just not enough twinks in the first place.

Well except that twinks were makings things suck for anyone not twinking and adding exp to BG’s was something people wanted.

And don’t forget that twinks were playing the “we just twink because we want skilled pvp at low level” card. So much for that lie…

You also didn’t really have a good time in PvP in general while leveling because largely you’re really bad at the game anyway. Some twinks said that, and some of those meant that. But who cares what the reasoning was? Twinking was a part of vanilla. No changes.

That part of vanilla before 19s were a bracket was better. Even when brackets were X0’s it was better because people realized it might actually be a good idea to be max level and get that big X0 ability. 19’s traumatize noobs from ever PvPing again until max level. At least at lvl 20 you’re slightly more familiar with your class, have more buttons, and aren’t in all grays when you press the button for exciting new feature, and while you’ll still get beat, at least it’s not as bad as with 19’s and enchants. You can still participate and think wow, this is fun, I should get stronger, instead of being hopelessly useless and not participating besides getting 1HKOd.

19’s should really just be offed.

I mean I fully agree that fighting twinks wasn’t a lot of fun, but twinks are a part of the game. We won’t see any for quite a while though.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

^ This . Well said

But at the end of the day we can take solace in knowing people who twink are just bad at pvp.

Correlation and all that.

Cause and effect, blizzard put twinks in a position where they had to fight mostly equal fights and they refused.

Twinks already weren’t that popular when they did that, and there’s no reason to do it when there’s just not enough twinks in the first place.

Well except that twinks were makings things suck for anyone not twinking and adding exp to BG’s was something people wanted.

And don’t forget that twinks were playing the “we just twink because we want skilled pvp at low level” card. So much for that lie…

You also didn’t really have a good time in PvP in general while leveling because largely you’re really bad at the game anyway. Some twinks said that, and some of those meant that. But who cares what the reasoning was? Twinking was a part of vanilla. No changes.

Oh I agree, but let’s not pretend that twinking was about anything other than people just wanting to beat people who had no chance to fight back.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Oh I agree, but let’s not pretend that twinking was about anything other than people just wanting to beat people who had no chance to fight back.

What do you as care for? Not like you would ever PvP…

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

I mean I fully agree that fighting twinks wasn’t a lot of fun, but twinks are a part of the game. We won’t see any for quite a while though.

19’s not existing as a bracket was also a thing in vanilla.

19’s should really just be offed

PvP can happen in a PvP server.

Well of course, I’m not saying lvl 19s shouldn’t be able to world PvP on a PvP server. Just the BGs. Either way, even in WPvP 19’s shouls be offed, except by clicking on them.

[Espure-proudmoore (Espure)]

Oh I agree, but let’s not pretend that twinking was about anything other than people just wanting to beat people who had no chance to fight back.

Eh. I know there are some that did it to fight twinks.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Oh I agree, but let’s not pretend that twinking was about anything other than people just wanting to beat people who had no chance to fight back.

Eh. I know there are some that did it to fight twinks.

Apparently that was the vast minority.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Oh I agree, but let’s not pretend that twinking was about anything other than people just wanting to beat people who had no chance to fight back.

What do you as care for? Not like you would ever PvP…

Well except i actually have a vanilla pvp rank

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Well of course, I’m not saying lvl 19s shouldn’t be able to world PvP on a PvP server. Just the BGs. Either way, even in WPvP 19’s shouls be offed, except by clicking on them

If it’s not 19’s then it’s gonna be level 20’s that people QQ over.

I honestly don’t see a difference…

Pick a version, players will naturally build as strong a character as they can just like the rest of us do at level 60.

It’s really the same thing. Heck, the low level brackets might actually be more fair because anyone can make a low level character and gear it to the max.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Would you actually participate in the PvP system now?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Would you actually participate in the PvP system now?

In classic? I would and unlike you I apparently did participate in it in vanilla.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

Well of course, I’m not saying lvl 19s shouldn’t be able to world PvP on a PvP server. Just the BGs. Either way, even in WPvP 19’s shouls be offed, except by clicking on them

If it’s not 19’s then it’s gonna be level 20’s that people QQ over.

I honestly don’t see a difference…

Pick a version, players will naturally build as strong a character as they can just like the rest of us do at level 60.

It’s really the same thing. Heck, the low level brackets might actually be more fair because anyone can make a low level character and gear it to the max.

There’s a huge difference.

Time played to 20 is more than twice as long as time played to 10.
There’s about twice as many abilities.
Talent points are 11 times more numerous.
There are many more quests that reward greens.
There are infinity times more dungeons before 20 than before 10.
The difference in strength between min and max level is less.
The ridiculousness of lvl 60 enchants is also less.
The time investment in bothering to level is higher.

Stepping into 21-30 for the first time was not nearly as silly as stepping into 10-19 for the first time.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Wait… There was no 10 to 20 bracket?

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

Pretty sure 10-19 was added with AB. It used to be 20+ before you could do a BG, which meant people were slightly less noob.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Interesting, I’ll see if I can find the original patch notes… I’m seriously curious.

All I can find is the addition of the 10 to 19 bracket in 1.8…

Before that it appears the lowest bracket was 20 to 29…

I can’t see how eliminating the 19 bracket would end QQ posts.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Pretty sure 10-19 was added with AB. It used to be 20+ before you could do a BG, which meant people were slightly less noob.

I think WSG always had a 10-19 bracket but BG’s weren’t added until most people had leveled past 20 anyways.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

1.7 was AB, as well as changing the brackets to 20-29, 30-39, etc. 1.8 was 10-19 wsg added.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Thinking you may have that backward. I remember WSG being first.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

What he’s saying is there was no 10-19 until 1.8. After 1.8 10-19 was added for WSG only.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Yeah found the patch notes… Again even if the 19 bracket was not included, would that end the QQ?