Please Disable Twinking or allow people to queue for NON-twink bg's

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Show us on the doll where the twink pwned you!

[Ipsan-azjolnerub]

Is there ever skill in a sizable gear difference?

[Zisifar-argent-dawn]

Is there ever skill in a sizable gear difference?

Obtaining that gear is a skill. Someone calling my level 19 twink low-skilled trash isn’t going to take away all the times I had to log on at 3AM dodging gankers in the gurubashi arena to get the Arena Grandmaster Trinket.

[Odinmar-eldrethalas (Odinmar)]

Not just skilled pvp. Skilled planning too!

Skilled planning is skilled pvp in a MMORPG, compared to something like an ARPG or a MOBA where the skill is limited to reflexes and twitch and multi-parallel-tasking in a high-speed environment.

I mean, a non-twink who doesn’t know may have a talent tree optimized for leveling through quests in the open world and be missing out on certain talents because of the wrongheaded emphasis. Should we call that not fair? (Yeah I know I’m preaching to the choir here, lol.)

I do wonder, however, if perhaps the advantage that BiS gear gives you is too heavy-handed. It’s all in the numbers, and the ratio of an “unfair” dps/hp advantage that comes from having all the best BiS, enchants, food buffs, pots, elixirs, etc. to the “fair” advantage that should be given is what, exactly? Eleventy-seven percent? This is one of those angels-on-a-pinhead arguments in my mind…

I guess the good thing is, the advantage is what it is, fair or unfair, and there doesn’t seem to be any indication that Blizzard is going to change them or give people who think that the gear advantage is unfair what they want.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

But that’s not your argument. Don’t move goalposts now…

You’re upset that people have better gear than you, what bracket they are shouldn’t change that argument. Get better gear, deal with it, or stop pvping. Pretty simple.

So twinking is about skilled pvp?

Yes, because killing twinks while running around naked is extremely satisfying. I actually prefer when twinks only twink to make up for lack of skill, at least in the brackets where you can overcome the gap. It’s the twinks that are both decent players and well geared that are the worst.

If there was such a community of twinks who wanted to kill twinks why did it die when blizzard enabled exactly that?

[Ipsan-azjolnerub]

Again, that’s not the point here.

Stop running from what you believe.

[Zisifar-argent-dawn]

But that’s not your argument. Don’t move goalposts now…

You’re upset that people have better gear than you, what bracket they are shouldn’t change that argument. Get better gear, deal with it, or stop pvping. Pretty simple.

So twinking is about skilled pvp?

Yes, because killing twinks while running around naked is extremely satisfying. I actually prefer when twinks only twink to make up for lack of skill, at least in the brackets where you can overcome the gap. It’s the twinks that are both decent players and well geared that are the worst.

If there was such a community of twinks who wanted to kill twinks why did it die when blizzard enabled exactly that?

Because I unsubbed at Cataclysm and only dated Legion.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

Is there ever skill in a sizable gear difference?

Obtaining that gear is a skill. Someone calling my level 19 twink low-skilled trash isn’t going to take away all the times I had to log on at 3AM dodging gankers in the gurubashi arena to get the Arena Grandmaster Trinket.

Staying up until 3AM is skill

We got ourselves a future Grand Marshall here.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

But that’s not your argument. Don’t move goalposts now…

You’re upset that people have better gear than you, what bracket they are shouldn’t change that argument. Get better gear, deal with it, or stop pvping. Pretty simple.

So twinking is about skilled pvp?

Yes, because killing twinks while running around naked is extremely satisfying. I actually prefer when twinks only twink to make up for lack of skill, at least in the brackets where you can overcome the gap. It’s the twinks that are both decent players and well geared that are the worst.

If there was such a community of twinks who wanted to kill twinks why did it die when blizzard enabled exactly that?

Good reading comprehension

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

But that’s not your argument. Don’t move goalposts now…

You’re upset that people have better gear than you, what bracket they are shouldn’t change that argument. Get better gear, deal with it, or stop pvping. Pretty simple.

So twinking is about skilled pvp?

Yes, because killing twinks while running around naked is extremely satisfying. I actually prefer when twinks only twink to make up for lack of skill, at least in the brackets where you can overcome the gap. It’s the twinks that are both decent players and well geared that are the worst.

If there was such a community of twinks who wanted to kill twinks why did it die when blizzard enabled exactly that?

Because I unsubbed at Cataclysm and only dated Legion.

So twinks do or do not want to fight other twinks?

[Zisifar-argent-dawn]

Is there ever skill in a sizable gear difference?

Obtaining that gear is a skill. Someone calling my level 19 twink low-skilled trash isn’t going to take away all the times I had to log on at 3AM dodging gankers in the gurubashi arena to get the Arena Grandmaster Trinket.

Staying up until 3AM is skill

We got ourselves a future Grand Marshall here.

Level 19 vs 1-3 higher levels every time. I never got an uncontested chest. Guess my 19 is just better than max level characters.

[Ipsan-azjolnerub]

I don’t think they care.

But what’s the cutoff? How much “better” can an opposing player be, whether it’s gear or level or both before you complain about it being unfair? Are you upset if you queue into the 20-29 bracket as a level 20?

[Frozendown-eonar]

VIP walking here. Those easily angered by twinks please stand back.

[Mergons-terenas]

500 posts on a topic that literally has 0.0% chance of happening. Gotta love these forums.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

There is no one answer to that. Were there people who quit because they couldn’t seal club? Yes. There were quite a few issues also and it was not like a closed server community. The twink community was spread out and like I said in another post there were attempts to get more on the same servers just to get ques to pop because they just didn’t for twinks. Even though there were people in que to fill games. That took forever to get fixed and many gave up because of that. Then let’s talk about the itemization changes and the pvp templates. More quit over those messes. However a community did take root.
That is why I’m hoping we get server info before classic releases so we can get like minded folks on the same servers. I don’t care if I have to play a west coast server. As long as it’s community/pvp/raiding/twinking/light RPGish/light hearted/have fun muh dude type of server. I’m down.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

I for one love seal clubbing, I just prefer skill-based seal-clubbing because then you can say someone is a scrub and they’ll know it because they can’t blame it on gear. The satisfaction derived is just as much about making them feel bad.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Is there ever skill in a sizable gear difference?

Obtaining that gear is a skill. Someone calling my level 19 twink low-skilled trash isn’t going to take away all the times I had to log on at 3AM dodging gankers in the gurubashi arena to get the Arena Grandmaster Trinket.

You have so much skill that you chose to hit the arena when the vast majority of players were in bed and asleep.

Yeah, right!!!

[Pentanse-stormrage]

Twinking in classic costs thousands of gold and is a huge time investment… let them have their damn fun.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

Twinking in classic costs thousands of gold and is a huge time investment… let them have their damn fun.

No, I want to make fun of them.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

twinking isn’t that easy

Which part isn’t that easy?
The part where the twink character is fed high bracket loot by a high level alt, or the part where the high bracket loot compensates for lack of skill?

All PvP in wow, at all levels, involves both skill and gear. A great player in mediocre gear vs medicore player in great gear is going to be a bit of a wild card scenario. If your a mediocre player with mediocre gear, you’re gonna have a bad time. If you’re a great player with great gear, you’re going to win a lot. Most people that I know who took their twinks seriously were very very good at the skills required to play their rogue or mage or hunter or whatever. And they also had the best gear. A scrub can’t just sit down and completely dominate a 19s WSG on someone elses twink. You still need to know how to play.

LoL.