Assuming it’s the same as live, loot range is the same as experience gain range. Both characters need to be within range to be eligible to trade. You can’t kill the end dungeon boss then trade loot to someone standing at the entrance.
There’s even some bosses on live (eg. Ultraxion from dragon soul) where if one member doesn’t damage the boss they will not be able to loot the chest or be the recipient of loot trading.
Can you trade to someone who was dead and receiving no XP?
Yup, as long as they are in loot / experience range. It’s the same as masterloot but with a 2 hour window.
It honestly doesn’t anything that masterlooter doesn’t already do…except fix mistakes made from masterloot. It’s there to reduce GM loot tickets.
GMs should never have paid attention to such tickets in the first place.
What is this range? And is height calculated in this?
Medieval soldiers were cowards for wearing armor?
Honestly, it’s the system that people subscribed to. The player with better gear dealt more damage. What part of that suggested you should enjoy PvP while wearing rags because you couldn’t be bothered to run a dungeon?
You’re going to be fighting mid-field in WSG anyways, or between bases in AB, like everybody literally always does at all times.
It stands sort of in the same way as Custer, I guess. Proud, ignorant, and doomed from the start and with his dying breath, calling bow/arrows the tools of cowards. Stay out of PvP if you just wanted to play “let’s everybody hold hands.”
Maybe BGs should have been tiered by gear score totals.
Ilvl? Oh boy. According to some here ilvl can never exist in classic. Lmao.
Certain “level brackets” would never pop. Oh look im in full t3 but no one else on the server is so I can’t do bg’s…
I realize there would be a range but still keeping the power levels close to each other would create even more brackets. Those on the lower end if the bracket will still get rolled by min/maxers.
Why not make it 5 levels a bracket? Because that would have spread too many players out in the que. Unless everyone has the exact same “power” it will never be fair in a class/gear based game. It’s not supposed to be either. Find what works for you and improve upon it.
Want it fair? Everyone has to be the same. Naked. The same class. No healing. With the same racials. Even then. Some will find the best way to have an advantage. Might as well be dueling only your class type outside of org.
That’s not an RPG. That’s a moba or fps. Even those players find ways to gain advantages. Think people pay extra for high speed internet so they can update Facebook? Think we buy mechanical keyboards and gaming mice so others have more of a chance? Faster machines? Better GPU’s? Every bit of it is seeking that slight advantage. That’s just the acceptable stuff that’s allowed. Lol.
(Again, to be clear for those who misinterpret posts: this is just hypothetical chat)
Sure you could. Just not with that gear. OR you would simply be in the highest bracket.
You would not be able to choose what bracket you are queueing for, you would have to wear the gear you had on your person when you queued, and the ilevel itself would not be visible. There could be just as many brackets as there are now.
This would allow those who are “more skilled” and have “put in the effort” to show their actually ability rather than relying on gear as a crutch.
(Again, to be clear for those who misinterpret posts: this is just hypothetical chat)
I get that. You’re still going to have a cut off point. You’re still going to have an upper part of the bracket and a lower. That cut off point (which currently would be the x9 of the bracket) is still where your min/maxers will find what works.
Now to keep your hypothetical fair. You have to consider level and gear level when determining “power”. So now you have to pick that cut off point. Since we are trying for as close to a level field as possible we will need to decide on that range. Here’s the kicker. I can be x9 and have never ran a dungeon. I can be x4 and have done nothing but run dungeons and got lucky. So im well better geared than the quest guy. Now when deciding on that range we just talked about we have to keep these power levels close to each other so we have to make some decisions. Because now you have a situation where lower leveled better geared toons can outperform higher levels less geared toons. Depending on where we set that range.
To keep it as close as possible to make it “fair” we’re going to need twice the amount of brackets or you have the same situation we were just trying to prevent.
Now let’s take this hypothetical one step further and say they use this and to keep players closer in power they make smaller ranges with more brackets. We just spread the bg populations out even more.
In short they went with 10 level difference in the bracket to make healthier ques.
The only way to make it “fair” is with predetermined templates and those suck the rpg/fun right out of it.
My advice is run some dungeons. Use any item in game you can. Use your toolkit. Coordinate with friends. Don’t que alone. Adjust. Adapt. Overcome. We’ve all been pwned. It’s what you do after you are pwned. Cry and whine or make some adjustments.
Pwn or be pwned. That’s the game. Since pong!
Yes twinking was a thing, but it’s not going to be a massive problem for a while. You have to keep in mind, that there are many BiS items that are had to get, expensive and some of the enchants are pricey as well. Keep in mind that you can’t lvl up in PvP, there are many of people who only lvl (in modern wow) from PvP.
Well. I ran into a dedicated twink on Ely a while back. He only had the one toon (he claimed) and he convinced friends to run him. (Again his claim)He quit because he could never get bg’s to pop in ther 19 bracket. He even tried encouraging others to twink.
I too think this is going to be a down the road deal. I know I’ll be keeping my eye out for twink gear along the way to 60. Lol. Heck I got feet of the lynx for 50 silver on Ely when it was fresh. Lol.
Except you “hypothetical” chat stance is based on false information and blatant lies. What about trinkets? Can’t change them around during a BG? What about engineering? How about switching weapons? Skull of impending doom? Free action potion. Healing potions. Mana potions. Living action pots resistance pots. To achieve the goal you want you will have to disable half the features of the game.
The flaw in that is the vast difference in power between a L10 and a L19 as opposed to a L50 and a L59. The lowest brackets have the widest power disparity, while the highest levels a bit less. The highest levels in the first bracket virtually have 2x the levels of the ones beginning in the bracket, and 9 talents spent compared to 1. Now add in L19 twinks to the equation.
Simply chopping it into 10-level brackets was absurdly short sighted.
You do understand what a hypothetical is, right? Lies? Are you serious dude?
What is wrong with you? Civil conversation that difficult?
Oh yeah, stashing them on a bank alt waiting till the prices are 500%. I lost out on alot of gold being impatient in selling them too early.
Very.12345
See you ignore actual debates and traget people for their little jabs at the trolls here. I’m just waiting for you to play the victim here. There you go making false statements or alies again. If me as a lvl 50 ran tones of dungeons at lower levels can polish the floor with a lvl 59 or 60 who hasn’t set foot in a dungeon or has no blues. So your hypothetical is not reality hence making it false. At level 10-19 it’s mainly about gear and if you are not competitive enough to give half a fudge about your gear why would you care if you win or lose pvp or are competitive at all.
Ah, actual debate from you:
Except you “hypothetical” chat stance is based on false information and blatant lies.
Debate: nitpick on the opposite party’s words = win! ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
I have never had a max level character, but I’ve played many twinks. You see, for some of us, the point of a twink it to have something like that max level experience, when (for whatever reason) max level isn’t really obtainable.
The time commitment to get to 60 in Classic was substantial. Then, if you wanted to max out your gear, it took still longer.
Now while I’m not saying that a twink can quite compete with the feeling of someone who maxed out at 60. And certainly people won’t be as “in awe” of my twink, that’s okay. I’ll take what I can get.
And the community in classic was great. On multiple occasions, friends and I were able to recruit someone we didn’t know to run us through a bit of content. So no, having a max level character is by no means a prerequisite of having a twink.
Say rather that my mentality is that someone who desires to be exceptional should be allowed that opportunity. My frustration in battlegrounds tended to come from one of two things:
Heh. Given that my main twink was a hybrid pally, I wasn’t typically killing people in 2-3 hits. ![:grin:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grin.png?v=6" ":grin:")
And I do have a desire to face people on fair terms, which is why I tend to seek out those obviously ganking non-twinks (usually rogues in the brackets I play.) In my experience the gankers are not the most skilled twinks, and there’s definitely some satisfaction in getting one of these types to ragequit a match.
All that said @Aureleon, to kinda-quote a T-shirt I like: “Come to the [twink]-side. We have cookies.” ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")