They needed to make it scale by rating like it does with keys. So there wouldn’t be the need to tank rating.
Yea those people are awful. I’ve played with people like that before, couldn’t stand them when I was a raider, can’t stand them now.
They should go play classic then.
So is your definition of casual.
There’s a reason this expansion is one of the least popular in the history of the game and it’s because of all the trash design choices and time gates and chores. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you.
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It does scale with rating. The difference between 1k rating and 1600 is ~40+ echoes. You just don’t get any from losing so it is more efficient to tank rating and have a like 75% winrate as opposed to a 50%.
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I don’t understand the mindset of the people who are against this time gate issue who are saying this is a free handout. How about Blizzard puts the price for each Malefic Core (only +3 corruption resistance) on the vendor for a reasonably high price of echoes to buy only one. Unfortunately, I bet these same people will still consider it a hand out though. Grinding out echoes does take work. For example, if the price of one Malefic Core was 10k echoes. That would be 13 echoes to buy at 10k each to reach the current cloak resistance cap of 89.
Debatable. I don’t like classic/ vanilla. But I don’t begrudge players that preferred they style of the game/ genre then and don’t like all the changes.
Thats fine, but don’t ask why the game is dying.
Every expansion has been “the least popular” starting in Cata. That’s not really a valid point anymore, other than to illustrate that the game has been slowly dying for 10-12 years.
Even then, just looking at logs/ raiderio scores bfa looks to be doing better than WoD, which was the definition of no chores and had ultimate catch-up.
Again, they needed to scale it with rating so that it didn’t promote tanking. So that even at a normal win rate 50-60% you’d get more echos pushing as opposed to tanking.
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Maybe in terms of overall player numbers (though we can’t know that for sure), but I think Legion was actually more well received than WoD despite Legendaries and the infinite power grind.
I’d say more people enjoyed Legion than BfA as well.
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They clearly don’t understand what “catch up” means, do they? haha.
Look, I saw exactly what you are saying, and decided not to do alt runs until SL lands. In the meantime I stopped playing WoW very much and have let the guild fend for themselves finding tanks and stuff… (I normally push up 3 or 4 tanks just to goof around and have fun).
It is what Bliz wanted. I’m pretty much settled that I may pass on SL too, if Torghast has vessel grinding and given they have just ruined the AH… I’m not feeling it.
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Parts yes, parts no. I’d say that BFA is an extension of Legion but also a giant experiment about where they should go in the future.
Some things hit, some did not. And that’s not a bad thing.
3 months to catch-up to a character I’ve played every week for 6 months is not catch-up?
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RIGHT NOW, someone now has the corruption to have another TD over someone else, and almost 2 TD ranks already and still be UNDER 40 corruption resistance. If you think that the DPS output of rank 2 TD does not matter over someone else for numbers, then you are truly mistaken. Imagine the number of TD’s someone will have for their DPS numbers over you, another 13 weeks from now.
Isn’t the 12% stats 5k? So if you make even 40k in a week (high end) that’s 8… Before essences and no ability to buy a few essences for different content (PvP vs pve for example). If it’s an alt you’re likely getting less than that. So the point still stands, even if the cloaks were boa (which they’re not) you’re still a few weeks behind. Now add in catching your cloak up, getting cores and being behind on momentos.
The current system is dumb man.
Lol dude classic also didn’t have an infinite grind. Everyone knows what bis is and it’s easily obtainable. A lot of people went to classic for the explicit purpose of getting off the stupid treadmill.
You don’t need a catch up when there is no infinite grind.
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Debatable. I raided MC for months before I got pants. Still have never seen ToEP drop, to this day.
Yes. We got Legion/ BFA in response to WoD. The infinite grind solved the other issue with WoD, soft nerfing content.
Lol man my guild clears the place in under an hour with way less than max people. It’s very easy to do and it’s not going anywhere so you’ll get it eventually. There’s also lots of fillers that are almost as good if not better.
Everyone I know that’s still playing classic are playing for the social aspect (no qol forces a lot of interaction) and to get off the treadmill. None of them are there because they think there shouldn’t be catch up in retail 
Yeah an abandoned expansion? Makes a lot of sense 
The infinite grind didn’t solve anything. The sub numbers before covid hit weren’t any better than WOD
The cloak resistance cap is now +89 starting today. If your cloak resistance is rank 15 it is +50 corruption resistance. You would then need +39 corruption resistance to reach the cap of +89. 39 / 3 = 13 Malefic Cores (13 weeks for the one extra Malefic Core per week).
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So they want to play for the social aspect, but want qol added to remove the social aspect? Do you even read what you type?
They abandoned WoD in BRF? Ok.
Lol what are you even talking about they want lfg taken out, not because it’s a catch up mechanics but because it causes people to engage with one another. Same with professions and guilds and so many other things.
Like what do you even mean? Do you actually think people are playing classic because there is no catch up?
Did you see the .2 patch? The whole story was super weird and the hardcore focus on garisons got a lot of bad rap so they just stopped making content for it. What’s so hard to understand about people leaving because there was no new raids, dungeons or story?
#nochanges. Or do you think that the slippery slope of adding qol stops with lfg and doesn’t include alt catch-up?
No new raids or dungeons? The complaints about WoD’s lack of content started in HM/ BRF…
Again I have no idea what you mean. Most people don’t want changes. It has litteraly nothing to do with alt catch up though as I’ve already made clear
Lol yeah maybe because their idea of fun and engaging content was a garrison? Crazy how that might not have flown lol
Still though… Kinda funny how an abandoned expac pretty much kept up in subs with a fully developed expansion (before covid hit). It’s almost like infinite grinds aren’t a good thing
The more number of views this post has, the more Blizzard has to pay attention to it. Change starts now!
Adding more qol and alt catch-up are changes…
What? The begginning of WoD had dungeons, raids, and pvp like always. And great alt catch-up/ easy pvp gear. It wasn’t abandoned 3 months in…
It didn’t keep up. WoD started with 10.5 million players and lost more than half of that in the first 4 months.
Legion/ BFA started with half the players…
That’s 3+ months of having rank 4+ TD over someone else. You didn’t even have to do a raid for your “grinding”.