Please Blizzard. Either ban premades or have them face each other

[Ripsoul-heartseeker]

@Attics-stormrage

To go back to your pickup basketball game analogy… in your analogy, you think the NBA teams should face the NBA teams, and pickup games play together. Thats cool. But then the rewards should fit your analogy. You don’t get to go for the NBA rewards as a pickup player.

So yeah, according to your analogy, no ranks for the random solo queue players. Better hope you are good enough to get picked up by them ranking premades.

What makes you think solo players dont have to work hard to gain their rewards? The point of going to a premade is to make it easier. Use your head

[Attics-stormrage]

I’m not. I am saying that, based on his analogy, the ‘professionals’ would be the only ones to be rewarded at the height of things, and by comparing solo players to pickup players he is saying they shouldn’t be payed like the professionals with that sweet sweet Ranking.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Swaggy-faerlina

I just want to queue up and have a good competitive game

oh its competitive. your choice to not be in a premade is part of why you lose.

[Trousers-westfall]

@Attics-stormrage

You don’t get to go for the NBA rewards as a pickup player.

And yet World of Warcraft, with few exceptions, is not the NBA.

Professional basketball players are paid money to perform their craft.

All of World of Warcraft is akin to the Pickup league game, because it’s a commercial entertainment product that people pay to play.

In this analogy, the “NBA league players” have entirely lost perspective on what the purpose of the game is, which is why they’re willing to go to such extraordinary lengths to corrupt the meta, until the game has been min/maxed into oblivion.

As a result, a single player queuing for AB or WSG perceives that the game is embarrassingly broken.

@Trousers-westfall

There is no justification why Pugs can’t face Pugs, and why Premades can’t face Premades.

People who stand against it have an ulterior motive by directly benefitting from a broken system.

And that is the only legitimate* justification there is.

Your insistence on an increased reward for playing a fair match (against a fair team) reinforces my conviction in this.

• Premade vs. Premade = fair game.

• Pug vs. Pug = fair game.

• Pug vs. Premade = unfair game.

Unfair games are what you’re after on the surface level. Higher honor yield is your only concern underneath; and the quality of the gameplay you experience is of no consequence which is why I deem your argumentative position invalid.

Given the premises:

• What we’re talking about is a game, meant to be played for the purposes of entertainment

• Poor quality gameplay is less efficient at providing entertainment than a higher quality gameplay.

• Insurmountably unfair situations frustrate the player, and provide a poor quality gameplay experience

Our conclusion must be:

Separating Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues increases the quality of the game.

The action we should take:

Separate Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues.

[Attics-stormrage]

I never said, nor insinuated that I want the ‘unfair’ matchup. Im commenting on how op’s initial analogy doesnt work with his second statement only.

I’m fine with pugs facing pugs and vice versa. But sure, nice post arguing a point I never made.

[Brakuz-blackrock]

Wait. I do both premades/pugs.
If premades outnumber pugs, why do I ALWAYS go up against pugs when im premading. I was premading earlier this week, I played atleast 20 games with them before going to bed…we did not play 1 premade. And this was evening time.
YET, when I pug, its almost always against a premade. Earlier today I went up against like 30 premade straight. Never in my WoW playing experience (since 2005) have I ever ran into that much premades one after the other.

Something is off there. I know premade vs premade happens, but I feel like it it doesn’t happen as much as some players claim it actually does.

[Mirpa-frostmourne]

Disclaimer: They told you that you would not like it.

[Riselopeppe-bloodsail-buccaneers]

it is fair because you can choose to premade. You choose not to play a premade. fair,…

[Lickbait-atiesh]

My horde friend here is correct. I ranked to 11 in vanilla and it was EXACTLY like this. Premade WSG 24/7. PuG stomp or be PuG stomped.

[Tla-earthfury]

If you are not having a fun time in BGs, try open world PvP! You may be having a rough time because people are coordinating amongst themselves to win in the objective based game mode. The open world may be for you if you are casual.

[Thromkar-westfall]

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@Trousers-westfall

• Premade vs. Premade = fair game.

• Pug vs. Pug = fair game.
• Pug vs. Premade = unfair game.

Unfair games are what you’re after on the surface level. Higher honor yield is your only concern underneath; and the quality of the gameplay you experience is of no consequence which is why I deem your argumentative position invalid.

Given the premises:

• What we’re talking about is a game, meant to be played for the purposes of entertainment
• Poor quality gameplay is less efficient at providing entertainment than a higher quality gameplay.
• Insurmountably unfair situations frustrate the player, and provide a poor quality gameplay experience

Our conclusion must be:

Separating Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues increases the quality of the game.

The action we should take:

Separate Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues.
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It’s in the spirit of preservation to uphold the integrity of the game’s gameplay.

PUG versus Premade is inherently unfair, and is acidic to the game’s integrity. It turns Battleground matches into hot garbage, where there was once some semblance of contest.

As people have begun to abuse the ability to form premade groups – which may have once been a social enterprise – to the detriment of integrity, I assert separating the queues would be of benefit; ensuring fair matches on all fronts, and a higher quality, more integral experience for everyone involved.

@Thromkar-westfall

Modifying the game to better suit everyone and provide a higher quality of gameplay for every person that steps into a battleground is not accommodating only me, but everyone that picks up the game.

Leaving the queue systems laughably broken, proposing that sub 5 minute games which maximize honor per hour rather than providing an immersive and substantial competitive experience; that is asking Blizzard to accommodate a vocal minority.

A vocal minority who doesn’t care about PvP at all, despite sowing the seeds of corruption in the system; and only desires for the rewards it offers for purposes which probably have nothing to do with that sphere of the game

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