Please Ban GDKPs!

Think of it like this. A ruling is made on a case in court, and I am critiquing the process by which the judge/jury came to their decision.

It doesn’t matter whether I believe the plaintiff is innocent or guilty. I’m merely pointing out that there was a procedural failure which may have created a miscarriage of justice.

Ok so tell us what they need to do solve the problem.

Reassess the reasons they relied upon in making the decision.

I am sure they have not forgotten that GDKPs are banned. They are not returning because they are cancer for every version of the game. They do destroy guild fabric, they create a place to launder illicit gold, they create the biggest incentive for illicit gold, they reward swiping not time spent, they cost blizzard money, the list goes on and on. GDKPs are not coming back. You can postulate and pontificate all you want. I have dealt with hundreds of armchair quarterbacks just like you in my career. Everyone of thinks they can could do a better job until they are asked a direct question or for a solution. You are no different.

Mostly because of increasing the raid size to 20, and the terrible class balancing.

Because they allowed the incursion exploit without removing the gold gained from it, screwing anyone who didn’t exploit it early before it was removed.

One of the only things they got right was banning GDKP’s.

Pop drop is nothing to do with GDKP’s, that’s just swiper cope.

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I’m a regular player who has never RMT, and I’m hoping GDKPs return for phase 4.

The current state of pick up groups without these runs are abysmal. Also, leaders are ninja looting all Nightmare Seeds, and At’ali Flask of Mojo and posting them on the auction house after their run, isn’t this basically an org fee? Lol

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You haven’t addressed anything beyond “no you’re wrong and lying”

Ironic…

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which point hasnt been addressed a dozen times?

Your belief that banning GDKP has done anything to address RMT (it hasn’t, people are still getting gold selling spam and you can literally log in and find bots farming the same locations right now)

And your belief that addressing RMT was the main reason for the GDKP ban and using “well Blizzard agrees with me so you’re wrong” as a catch-all defense for when you have no other actual answer to anything, when it was secondary at best and in fact wasn’t even mentioned in the first place on their initial announcement of the ban

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ok we disagree. what do you want me to tell you. i dont agree with you on either of those point and think youre incorrect. without empirical data that can be reference, we are limited to official blizzard correspondence and action to debate. Debating individual experience is not productive since there are a wide range of personal perspectives. gdkps remained banned for the second phase. that means blizz hasnt changed their minds.

Do you think GDKPs should be brought back?

then you disagree with reality and live in your own bubble

so be it.

do you think GDKPs should come back?

I’ll answer your irrelevant questions when you address my points

And no, plugging your ears and going “you’re wrong shut up la la la I can’t hear you” is not addressing my points

you have posed the most idiotic points that havent addressed time and time again. RMT remains a problem for a wide range of problems. Addressing RMT requires GDKPs gone bc money laundering is so prevalent in them. Also, GDKP create an undeniable incentive to buy gold. Furthermore, you have 0 evidence RMT hasnt been addressed in large fasion by the GDKP ban and other actions bliz has taken. If so present the evidence. And dont say something stupid like…muh AH prices…or muh g2g prices. Responses like that are so stupid that they dont warrant my time beyond responding to you like a child.

As for blizzards main reason for banning GDKP…they cited 2 reasons…erosion of community and connection to RMT/botting. Those are the reasons they cited.

now

do you think gdkps should come back?

yes or no

So ban the Auction House too

As I said you can literally log in right now and find bots farming the same locations they always have. I also mentioned the ingame mail ads that I’m still getting, and your only response to that was petulance and childishness. So, you know, par for the course as you yourself just said

Really, if it were true that only people with a history of gold buying receive these ads, then how would you know that? Trying to incriminate yourself?

I literally gave you the link to their plans for phase 2, which includes the announcement of the GDKP ban, where RMT is not even mentioned, let alone cited as one of the primary reasons

It’s fair to say that GDKP has some benefits to individuals who don’t want to be tied to a guild or set raid schedule. GDKP raids are, while mostly transactional in nature, another social activity in the game, and we’re hesitant to discourage anything that gets people into groups to play together. However, we’ve been concerned that GDKP erodes traditional guild and social structures that are in many cases the basis of our most fond memories of early versions of World of Warcraft. It’s also undeniable that GDKP contributes to and drives a lot of illicit activity, such as real-money trading (RMT) and botting, as it creates a demand for in-game gold that would not otherwise exist. GDKP can create an “arms race” effect that encourages participating players to purchase gold to be able to compete for the best items. -aggrend

the AH is not being banned because GDKPer and RMTs use if to cheat. lots of legitimate players have and continue to use it. Furthermore, blizzard has a record of transactions for AH meaning their security team can track RMT across this platform although difficult and time consuming. if you think using the AH makes you safe, you are wrong. this is one of the dumbest argument people use in regards to GDKP. DO NOT WASTE MY TIME with stupid arguments like this.

bc bots still exist in no way means GDKP ban didnt help or shouldnt stand. its another stupid aargument that barely warrants seconds to respond to.

Now answer the question.

should gdkps be brought back? yes or no?

Still plugging your ears and spouting the same nonsense. Well, at least I got an actual quote out of you…with no actual citation :person_shrugging:

Feel free to keep seething and malding then, I suppose

between you and horace, you talk about nothing. make no points. not address direct questions. you are both lying cheaters. probably gold sellers too. i dont need to seeth bc gdkps are not returning. no matter how much you cry about it

my quote is from the GDKP ban post.

SO AS I SAID BEFORE. i am right. you are wrong. PERIOD end of story.