Please allow GMs to fix quest rewards

In the stickied Customer Service post (WoW Classic Customer Support and You), the current policy is that GMs ARE NOT ALLOWED to fix incorrect quest rewards. On the same topic, there is also a post from Vrakthris (Misclick Quest item - #14 by Vrakthris) that expands a little bit on the history of this.

I think this policy should be adjusted, and in this post I will make my case.

Recently, on my level 60 Mage, I misclicked the incorrect trinket from the Heart of Hakkar questline, and received the tank trinket instead. On filing a support ticket, the GM politely replied that this could not be fixed. Here is a snippet of the reply:

Once you pick a quest reward, that’s permanent - even in the case of a mistake, and even for quests that reward powerful / best-in-slot items. Customer Service won’t be able to swap your reward out for you, or reset the quest for you to do it again.
As for the item you picked, you’ll want to disenchant it, vendor it, or destroy it. As you continue adventuring, you’ll naturally be able to find a replacement. It may take some time, and that replacement may not be as powerful - but like many other parts of the game, making and correcting mistakes is another part of the journey.

I raised a number of concerns regarding this:

  1. Given the nature of the quest, there are multiple items that all have identical icons, and almost identical names (All of them start with “Zandalarian Hero”). Unlike most quest rewards where items can be visually distinguished (ie. a staff icon vs a sword), this is an outlier. Obviously, as with most quests, there is no confirmation dialog.
  2. Given the scope of WoW Classic, we know for a fact that this decision is final and has a major impact. There will be no means to “correct this mistake” as you described. There will also be no means to replace this item for the rest of the game. There is no means to fix this problem forever, unlike retail where items can get obsolete. In other words, the “journey”, as you describe, has already ended.
  3. It is clear that a mistake has occurred here - I must have clicked on the wrong item, because as a caster, there is no chance I would have desired the defense+armor trinket, over the spell power trinket.
  4. I’m trying to rectify this mistake as early as possible - this isn’t about an incorrect decision I regret from a week ago, or a month ago, but literally a misclick from day ago, that I would like to adjust as soon as I spotted it. In comparison, the item restoration system offers a effective window of a month, if only it could apply to this situation.

I received another answer from the GM, rejecting my request.

You’re correct that it can be easier to make mistakes during these specific quests. However - mistake or no, our Dev crew does not want Customer Service swapping rewards. It’s just not our call to make.
You’re also correct that, as end-game equipment, there’s not much that can rival these quest items. As we’ve mentioned though, Dev’s stance on swaps covers -all- equipment, including unique items, best-in-slot items, and quality of life items alike.
In this particular case, you’ll need to use the item you have as best you can, even if that’s just vendoring or disenchanting it, and use any other item in its’ place - even if it’ll never be as powerful.
Alternately, you do have the option of starting a new character, if the item is particularly critical to your build.
Those are two very harsh options, but at the moment, those are the choices our Dev crew wants you to make.

By this point, it should be obvious that I believe the one-size-fits-all “no adjusting quest rewards in any case” policy is wrong. In retail, this policy doesn’t do as much damage, because items can become obsolete within a patch or two. In the case of Classic where we know how the rest of the expansion plays out, the damage is permanent. It is as the GM said - reroll, or suck it up.

I am not asking for a change from “never fix quest rewards” to “fix all quest rewards”. I agree with some concerns raised by Vrakthris regarding staff bandwidth and helping folks with technical or account issues. But I believe that GMs should be more empowered to help players, instead of forbidden to do so because of rigid policy. The goal as he described, should be to help players who make honest mistakes, and GMs should be granted to power to make those judgement calls.

A druid who files a ticket every time he wants to switch between Blackhand’s Breath and Eye of the Beast for his new spec should be told to live with their choices. A warrior who somehow received an intellect ring from an Onyxia head, and immediately files a ticket for assistance, shouldn’t be treated like a parasite wasting a GM’s time.

I have no ill will towards the GM who declined my request. I just think that given how professional the GM acted, they should not have to lean on policies to justify replying with “Reroll, or you’re SOL. That’s how the devs want you to play.” They’re smarter than that, and can make better decisions on how to help players.

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Working as intended.

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Take any responsibility, is what Blizz is nicely trying to say.

I rest my case.

#SlipperySlope The word no means no. No one is interested in bargaining with you on policy.

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No, GMs aren’t here to hold your hand or to fix your mistakes. Nobody is. That only happens in children’s games. This is not a children’s game.

During the world chess championship, did Bobby Fischer ever say “Oops! I shouldn’t have done that! Can I take that move back?” and his opponent said “sure”.?

Did Serena Williams ever miss a serve and shout “do-overs! That’s didn’t count!”?

In adult games, you live with your mistakes. Nobody gives you a “do-over”.

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Yup. smart choices don’t need fixing. none of them do.

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I’m pretty confused by some of the replies here. To quote what Vrakthris said in Misclick Quest item - #14 by Vrakthris, and also what we used to do in Vanilla…

Previous to the change in how quests rewarded items we tend to only swap a quest reward if it were at level cap and you otherwise couldn’t use it or otherwise earn it again. It was not commonly done and had specific requirements to even considered making an exception.
That isn’t to say that we didn’t do something similar in vanilla, of course we did, but again it was conditional and not entirely common. It is important to understand though, we have had many iterations of policies over the years that have changed based on a number of factors.

That’s literally what we used to do in Vanilla, and what I’d like to see come back in Classic. Conditional, and people make calls instead of just a policy. What’s wrong about that?

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sure. okay… I played Vanilla too & it was unheard of to get these issues “reversed”. Thier PR dept was simply much smarter about PR & told people “up to discretion”, which is a corporate speak method for saying: We won’t, most likely, but you can’t really argue w/“discretion”. Now they just come out & say it. As was stated. Working as intended. Instead, you write a massive forum post, virtue signaling which honestly just comes across as low-key manipulative, trying to “guilt” Blizzard into changing a policy, specifically for you. You have your answer, multiple times, you’re just not happy with it. That’s the real world. It’s not their problem. It’s yours.

P.S.-Vrakthis was clear, limited circumstances AND specific requirements, which your “issue” doesn’t meet. Period.

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Back in the days of original wow when I was a young inexperienced holy priest I got a whisper from a group to heal a dungeon substantially above my level. Healers were hard to find back in the day so despite my trepidation I agreed to come. I was nervous as hell and accidentally clicked need on a bop item I couldn’t use, ninja-ing it from the mage in the group. I felt terrible and submitted a ticket. The GM reset the soul bound item and sent it to to the mage.

Not a quest item but it seems to me that GM’s were more active in vanilla and more friendly than I’ve been seeing and hearing about in classic.

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It was because you admitted to ninja-ing the item. That was typically a limited circumstance where they’d intervene. But again, was rare.

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So, worst case scenario, you miss out on the HoH trinket. I understand gear means different things to different people but is that it? Is your character somehow no longer playable?

I remember a similar post to this made by a warlock who chose the wrong Nef head reward and lamented that his character could no longer reach its full potential.

:cactus:

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P.S.-Vrakthis was clear , limited circumstances AND specific requirements, which your “issue” doesn’t meet. Period.

Honestly, if that was the answer I got, saying “Hey look, we’ve reviewed it and we don’t think this deserves fixing. Sorry”? I’d be more cool with it. That isn’t the answer I got. Instead, the answer I got is “Sorry, devs don’t even let us look into this, and I know this sucks, but they’d rather you reroll”.

Surely we can do better than that?

I’m gonna be straight up with you, that’s a fundamental lack of understanding on your part. The nuance was lost on you. It’s pretty obvious they said exactly that to you, just in a very PR fashion, which is their job.

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Will blizzard fix quest items? I deleted an item I needed and the quest giver wont give another . Am I just sol for this?

Right now the written word on the wall is that they will not, and are not allowed to. Similarly, I think it’d be better if they could. That said, if the quest item can be obtained again by dropping and picking up the quest again, they probably wouldn’t.

Yeah its an item you get after completing the quest that actually starts another. So there isn’t anything for me to drop. Good thing its not a major story quest or anything or I’d have had to reroll lol!

That has got to suck!

Fair enough.

In the the post you linked, Vrakthris says, “If you would like to see a change to how those policies work the best advice I can give you is to provide that feedback in the Classic Discussion forum.”

And I think that’s exactly what you are doing. :slight_smile:

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Support is 1 area that Blizzard is complete garbage at. Private servers usually had better support from UNPAID VOLUNTEERS. Their plan seems to be, “just act nice and that’s all that matters, doesn’t matter if you do nothing to help what so ever.” They’re all going to be replaced by robots one day because all 99% of them do is copy/paste text with a dumb name back on it. That sounds like a great job, but keep in mind that they’re probably paid minimum wage as well. The easier a job is, the less it’s going to pay, because you are basically a trained monkey.

Well Forrest Gump, life is like a box of chocolates.

Misclicks are the user’s fault. No sympathy here. Derps get what derps get.

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You could also buy Thunderfury.

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Slow down…

And think before you make your choice of reward.

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