Playing at 1700 MMR

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Figured I’d run through a little bit of the data I collected over the past few days. It seems like at an MMR of 1700, 73% of the games I played had a player with Gladiator Mount, title or at least exp.

I don’t want to drag my feet and complain entirely, so let’s start with some positives. Even as a warlock in a meta that seems against us (2s for example is 90% warrior healer comps, at 1700 at least) and looking to build off 2k xp in BFA, I’m now queueing into gladiators the vast majority of the time. I like to look at the bright side. I get practice against better players, and it’s making me a better player.

That being said, this is just some collected data for others that I’m sharing above. Is it worth reactivating or playing PvP? If you want to practice and climb rating, it may be frustrating but it’s rewarding in the previously stated way. If you are casual, I’ll offer my opinion as someone who has been playing since launch in 2004. This is the worst it’s ever been.

Besides the fact that the meta is one dimensional and there is a ton of one shot cheese mechanics (convoke, the hunt, combust, etc.) going on that the casual PvPer wont be able to deal with, the game is flat out full of bugs. Your opponent blinks all over the map after being mind controlled. Sometimes your partner will appear to be standing in the entry room of the arena for the entire match even though they are actively participating. On Illidan realm, half the games I get stuck in a load screen and am unable to play. There are literally emulator WoW servers that are free to play with less bugs.

For the more competitive player, it’s largely the only MMO with a competitive PvP scene on the market. Believe me, if anyone has any other recommendations, I’m all ears.

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It says so much about disgusting no skill fire mage that their baseline ability that they have had for years now is in the same tier of broken cheese as those yucky borrowed power abilities. Nice game !

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At this point, I just come to accept it and just play for fun. The gear reset will happen and who knows what the future brings.

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Can you please provide the spreadsheet you used to track these to come to such a specific number? What was your sample size?

A quick look at the ladder shows that is not the case. While the number is high relatively speaking, it’s no where close to 90%. I would like to see warriors toned down for sure, but conflating the problem doesn’t lead to a more expedient solution.

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I’ve seen very little glads actually at that mmr when I was climbing. Now we’re playing at 2200MMR and there’s definitely a trend of a lot of glads.

At 1800 its mostly alts I’ve noticed, and with them it’s a hit for miss. Just try to have fun if you can, don’t take the ratings too seriously. At least with that mentality I was able to climb from 1700-2100 in a week fairly easily. Talk to your team mates after each match.

Open up their personality, you will have more fun when you are playing with a friend than a stranger online.

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Combustion is the most changed spell in the game. It changes almost every xpac…

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Ok well here’s a new change - bin it and start agayn!

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They have, multiple times even.

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I agree remove 2v2 arena

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I don’t wanna be that guy but how many games played do you have at 1700? “the past few days”

If i play 10 games and quit, and 9/10 had warriors by some stroke of luck, that’s 90% of games being warriors. But 10 games isn’t enoguh to judge the state of the game. It’s just a bad queue session.

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Que the “git gud” guys or the “i did it with my S tier class/“buddy” who is already fully geared”

People are just scared to have an even playing field where their actual gaming skills might mean more than the time/money put into a specific character.

Thankfully gearing for PvP sounds like it might get that needed change in 9.1 and then we shall see how many of these “git gud” guys are still floating above the rest.

Proper gearing should help out these underperforming classes a bit as a fully geared warrior will stomp on anyone under 35k health without even needing to think twice about what buttons to press.

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I’d suggest ESO if you’re looking for a more competitive playstyle that’s more balanced

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This feels like bait but I’ll bite.

You’re playing the only other spec that’s just as ridiculous (if not moreso).
Your name suggests that you probably understand this fact, so I’m wondering why you’d post something like this?

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Cuz I don’t play warrior, and just because someone posts on a character doesn’t mean it’s their main, and just because one thing is broken doesn’t mean other things aren’t. Hope that helps! :baby::brain:

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And as far as how many games I’ve played, 1856 on the season, and 250 of the most recent were played (same partner, all 2v2) before I compiled the data. Sure, the warrior/heals may have been an exaggeration at 90%, but it was certainly the majority of teams. I didn’t actually keep track of the comps.

Here’s how it went: There is no spreadsheet. For all intensive purposes this was done on a dirty Burger King napkin with tally marks and divided with an iPhone calculator. It wasn’t hard to do. In fact, you can do this yourself. This data was taken between 1600-1800 bouncing in ratings, all with the same resto druid partner (found someone to play 250 games in LFG believe it or not, results not typical). If I saw a glad mount (Sinful glad mount only) or Glad title, I would mark down 1 game. Even if both players had it. I was counting games, not players. The ones I did not, I did an armory check to see the xp. Roughly 73% (it was a little more, like 73.2% or something) of the games had someone with glad xp, be it seasonal or historical.

I don’t really have an agenda to push here. This isn’t my opinion. This is just data. I’m not what I would consider super casual and I enjoy getting to queue and learn from better players. As far as I’m concerned, I am having a good time and viewing the bright side. This works FOR ME.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Now onto the opinion part of this:

I don’t think Combust is OP. Mages are pretty much CC bots incapable of hurting you outside of it. I don’t think most of these abilities are out of line. This goes with other abilities. Avenging Wrath should hurt. Paladins have trouble connecting. If they do, you should pay for it. I get it. My point is for a CASUAL PLAYER, this could be really hard to enjoy.

I do think BFA was better than this (what can I say, I’m a warlock). Even if it took longer to kill things. I do think this is the worst state of PvP I have ever seen the game in SO FAR AS CASUAL PLAYERS are concerned.

The main problem I have with this is that certain specs can end a game from 1 mistake, while others have trouble punishing you as easily. Whatever. Not every spec is going to be good every meta.

The real glaring issue for me is the bugs in game that effect everyone (i.e. Mind Control and Starting Area)

Some Positives:
Multiple classes have seen re-designs that are super fun
It’s easier than ever to have an alt without doing chores everyday
PvP Vendors are back, that’s amazing
Vault options are really cool
Devs are doing a good job of listening to player base

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I was playing on this druid at 1700mmr. IT HAS 166 ITEM LEVEL!

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A quick look at the top 100 NA competitive ladder does not show 1700 MMR, nor does it apply to casual PvP.

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Please provide literally any proof at all and I’ll be happy to have a worthwhile conversation. I also said nothing about the top 100. I said the ladder. There are ample tools out there to show you’re basically pulling numbers out of thin air.

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Believe it or not I didn’t ask you for a conversation. If you don’t believe the data, that’s fine. Conduct your own then. Or don’t.

Either way, I’m not mailing you the tally marked Burger King napkin.

Are we clear?

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Someone is 100% getting feisty for being called out on making stuff up.

I love that you were so specific to. 73% of games had glads in them at 1700. Right right right. And… you say 90% of 2s were had warriors? So that would mean that at minimum, 45% of the ladder in the 1700 range was ONLY warriors. See how I maths there.

Making up stuff sure is fun.