I think people will try and approach that line regardless of whether they directly or indirectly cross it.
Im just not the type to give someone a blank slate and then try and play mind reader. But like I said id be happy with just booting them from queing for a few hours above all else first before we delve into outrighr account suspensions
for clarification purposes this is the verbatim post copied and pasted.
"Today, we issued gameplay suspensions to players who intentionally left Mythic+ groups a great many times in The War Within Season 1. The sort of behavior we actioned was either without regard for the experience of their fellow players, or in some cases, even deliberately intending to harm othersâ experiences.
This is detrimental to the community of players who strive to do their part in group content the vast majority of the time.
We understand that occasionally, abandoning runs will happen. Players can experience unexpected real life emergencies, internet outages, or the group collectively deciding to quit the run. Today, we suspended players who repeatedly and recklessly disrupted Mythic+ groups.
We will continue to keep an eye on groups in the future, and repeat offenders are subject to escalating penalties.
Well, as vague as that is, I guess everyone will have their own take on what that means as to permanent or just a suspension. I am leaning on the side of suspensions for those players who just up and left for no reason (I guess a valid reason) anyways.
Account actions arenât going to be taken on someone for leaving 3 keys over the course of a few days.
Account actions will likely be taken on people that were leaving a few dozen keys right after they started over a few days.
You guys are panicking thinking you are going to be held hostage and you donât need to. Blizzard is not going to start mass banning a significant portion of their player base for leaving failed keys.
We need a stat about incomplete dungeons that folks can see.
Thatâs all anyone really wants. How many successful groups have this person been in. How many were timed, how many were completed, how many were abandoned.
Then the players can choose whether or not to party with that person. Perhaps ask questions of that person.
If someone bails, yes, everyone gets dinged. But, see, having a jerk in your party wonât trend. Over time, most of YOUR dungeons runs will succeed, while for someone who continually bails, will not, and they will trend high.
Internet problems? Those arenât a trend either.
âI shouldnât be stuck in bad runsâ, then donât join bad runs. Group leaders vet their players, you should vet the group leaders and the other players. Just bail before the key is dropped.
I mean, I had a bad week once. I lost 4 key levels in an hour. Only one group even made it to the first boss. All my other weeks were pretty smooth.
We should have the raw data available and just see what happens.
This might be some new generational thing, but ban vs perma ban is how Iâd always seen this sort of thing framed as for decades. Suspension is pretty new way to describe a short term ban.
does it matter? were you planning to start trolling keys and youâre just holding off on a decision until you find out exactly what the penalty is? itâs not âvagueâ just because they didnât think to answer every question this forum could possibly have about every single aspect of the action.
Probably not, but they also donât need to be this vague about it either. How do you define âa great manyâ? How does Tom, how do I, how does Blizzard? Iâd bet weâd be left with 4 different answers here. Thatâs the issue. It feels slimy to be this vague, presumably so they have plausible deniability if/when this goes wrong.
âA great manyâ is pretty vague, though. Is it 20 keys a season? What if the person does 260 keys? What if they do 30? 20 out of 260 doesnât seem like âa great manyâ to me, but if all Blizzard is looking at is the 20âŚ?
Yeah, it is. Thatâs why they didnât perma-ban people. This is what happens when people take the actual facts, and add their own levels of hyperbole and hysteria to them.
People who habitually and maliciously abandoned keys were suspended. That was made very clear. Thereâs no excuse to get freaked out about âpermabansâ.
You spent several posts gaslighting people into believing this in the other thread and thatâs not at all true.
I think it was pretty clear they had evidence that these were people leaving keys in high volumes and/or evidence from chat logs where people admitted it (when Blizzardâs previous stance was to simply ignore such behavior).
You know, good and well, they arenât just banning the guy who left a key yesterday after spending 30 minutes driving towards the end only to have the entire group fail catastrophically or the person who blinked out in the middle of a fight in a manner that looked like a power outage happened.
Correct. Kiyoko knows this but is being intentionally obtuse about it.