Why does your post read as though your primary motivation is to bring back ninja looting, and you’re looking for lame rationales to sneak that in?
Anybody who wants to eliminate personal loot is trying to get back loot ninjaing.
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All the heroic guilds I played with in WoD and Legion used master loot though. Seemed like most semi-serious guilds did. If you wanted to find a guild that used personal loot you were going to be in for an uphill battle. “Just find a PL guild” is fine in theory but not in practice.
Personally though I didn’t mind master loot in the game, as long as it was a full on guild group. I was also a big supporter of that “80% rule”, because if your guild needs to bring in pugs to help you, those pugs deserve a shot at loot imo.
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regardless if they didnt take it away, no guild would use it, hence why it would always be considered “drama loot”. because regardless if many guild members prefer personal loot, obviously the guild lead or loot council will never choose personal loot.
Also this change prevents guilds from alt running and feeding loot to single members to give the guild an overall advantage in world first competitions, as this is a primary reason why Blizzard decided to implement this change, as many of the top guilds were having each of their members, or small groups of them run multiple instances of a raid, to filter/feed gear to certain members during the normal and heroic release weeks, which then those members all combine into the main raid team and tackle the mythic content when it releases.
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No thanks. PL is fine. I’d say ML can die in a fire but it already did. It should stay dead.
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I used to rob raids using Master Loot.
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I find personal loot much less satisfying from an entirely psychological perspective. The feeling of clicking on a dead boss and moving your mouse over each piece of loot it dropped was an experience that really made me care about the gear and there was a lot of emotional build-up to seeing the piece you need and then getting it. There were a lot of loot systems involving ML that I thoroughly enjoyed. It’s a very different experience to hoping something just pops into your bag and, if you’re curious, see what popped into other people’s bags.
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The ole ML vs PL debate… at it again… I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. This forum is just hilarious:
Flying - You don’t have to use it if you don’t want to! Just use a ground mount! We want the choice to fly!
LFR - Don’t like it? Don’t use it. Me running LFR isn’t affecting you!
ML - I want you and your group to play how I want you to play.
Hypocrites…
If you didn’t want to use ML… you didn’t have to… Like at all. Also, every bit of data that Mr Robot has put out on this clearly shows that the playerbase is divided on this issue. Why not simply offer the players choice in their own game experience?
Ya know… give players agency in how they want to play? Instead of forcing us all to play how we’re “supposed” to play?
Completely false statements. The data has already been done on this (at least the best we can get)… Plenty of teams were using PL in Legion.
Most teams used PL in normal. More than half used PL in Heroic. A solid eighth of the teams used PL in mythic. You’d have a point in mythic if it was like 1 in a 100 guilds used PL, but 1 in 8? Across literally 1000’s of guilds? No… You had the choice to use PL, you just didn’t take it.
They also did a work up asking players about their feelings on it’s removal:
I think you can quite clearly see that different people want different things… So why not offer them the choice to play how they want to play?
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except this isn’t true, because the raid leader has complete control over this choice… regardless if some of the raid want it to be personal loot, most raid members, especially in an average guild group, have zero say or authority to tell the raid lead to set it to personal loot. So then they are left with two options, forced to do the raid with a loot system they don’t like or not raid as they will be booted out if they don’t agree with the loot option.
Now if Blizzard added the option for the players to choose the loot system they want, so those who choose personal, get personal loot drops, while the raid that chooses master loot, share a loot drop, then all would be fine… but that’ll never happen.
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That’s because a majority of these raids are PUGs. People will drop out of the group if the lead of a Pug set the loot option to anything but personal, because random people do not trust a stranger to not Ninja Loot or just give the loot to their friends or guildies in the group.
Just join up a pug and if the leader had it set to ML, you had people in chat screaming “SET IT TO PERSONAL LOOT”, and if they didn’t in a timely manner or refused, next you’d see a mass exodus as the pug raid group falls apart.
This is why in mythic groups, which less PUGs do, it’s a whopping 75%… and the final 25% are the few PUGs that do manage to push into some mythic content.
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Agree. We just watched the same thing happen. A raider who did 150+ pulls on M Mekka had to watch a guy who had been to only a couple of raids win the dps trinket and it felt really bad.
Then you should get a nice ban or other punishment for admitting that right now and for doing that in the past and those of us who were able to use it responsibly and fairly shouldn’t be punished because of a few jerks.
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I was lying to show why the OP is wrong.
But, you’re still raiding… as per your armory. So the above isn’t true.
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Which is why a random distribution benefits the group far more than a master looter determining whom ‘deserves’ what. Random is impartial, and by its very nature benefits the group via impartiality.
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The only problem with personal loot is the very strict restrictions upon when you can trade an item. This system needs to be adjusted to understand that ilvl is the definition of an “upgrade”.
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But why should he get a ban for Ninja Looting? it’s what every one in the group agrees to if they let the lead set it to Master Loot… Hence the name… the Leader is the Master Looter… the leader chooses who gets the gear, and if the leader chooses to give all the gear to himself, then obviously it’s working as intended.
Blizzard can’t ban a raid leader for looting the gear as a master looter, as he technically did nothing wrong and did his job as he should.
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I’ll throw a bone in towards your plight on this issue…
There has existed a bit of a “work-around” in the form of an addon called RCLootCouncil (find it on Twitch) which allows the Raid Leader to determine who gets what, much like how MasterLoot worked before.
From the description:
Battle for Azeroth / Personal Loot
With patch 8.0 Blizzard decided to remove Master Loot and make Personal Loot the only loot option for raids. As a firm believer in distributing loot in an orderly fashion to where it helps the group progress, I’ve converted RCLootCouncil to work with Personal Loot. I realise not everyone will want to use RCLootCouncil with PL, but for those who wants to, it’s now an option.Items looted with Personal Loot are still tradeable as long as it has an equal or lower item level as gear already possessed for that slot. This means any tradeable items are automatically added to a session and can be voted upon as usual. With ML no longer an option, the group leader acts as the ML for all intents and purposes.
Once an item is awarded, the owner will get a popup with whom to trade the item to. Simply click the row when in trading range, and the trading is done as automatically as possible.
My guild used this addon a lot in Legion, and it requires every member to have it installed to participate, but it works!
Actually it is. That really doesn’t prove anything
See blizzard disagrees - and that is why you guys don’t have it anymore.
Yet another thread where people that only do lfr or pug raids and didnt have to deal with masterloot tell you wonderful it is that its gone…
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Any GM or RL that made it a practice to keep loot or not award loot in a way that benefited the group did -not- have a raid team long.
And they’d end up with a known rep of being a jackwagon.
Knock it off with the hyperbole.
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