Personal Loot, and Why it needs to return

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

That sounds a lot like projection.

[Cpwar-area-52]

You’re right, it is better than it was in the past.

That doesn’t mean a new system can’t be better than this in the future.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Cpwar-area-52

I am griefing this person and forcing them to PAY me to have this trinket;

They can’t force you though? They won so if they want to give it away, use it, de/vendor it, or offer it for sale is within their rights and not griefing.

[Gooberina-bloodhoof]

Sorry this happened to you OP. I thought of a scenario where I would be sad-facing if this happened to me and it would be if someone somehow did this with Rashoks or Broodkeepers. Just bad form imo and shows a character flaw that is bigger than you to fix. Shake it off, and know that you still came out the winner in this scenario. (Assuming you didn’t rage and tantrum all over the place when it happened. )

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Sarama-firetree

if they want to give it away, use it, de/vendor it, or offer it for sale is within their rights and not griefing.

Yeah, sounds like OP just wants to be able to tell other people what to do with their loot.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Cpwar-area-52

Point, Score, Match.

LOL… how childish are you going to act here?

Blizzard has explicit rules on what is considered griefing. Maybe try reading:

Report Griefing

And here is one of many explanations that your drama filled definition isn’t what actual griefing is:

As griefing is a player-created term, it is not recognized as a behavior or any set of behaviors by Blizzard staff. Most of the time what is termed ‘griefing’ is simply an inconvenience brought about by interaction with other players. While such behavior may be irritating or obstructive, it is not usually a violation of the Terms of Service, and as such GM staff will not intervene in these instances.

For a fuller explanation of Blizzard’s in-game policies, see the Blizzard’s In-Game Code of Conduct article.

Actionable offenses

Though not typically referred to as ‘griefing’, and not called as such by Blizzard, all these actions are against the ToS (“Terms of Service”, as in TUA) and if reported action may be taken against the player or players involved.

• Spamming (Though all topics are usually allowed in General chat, unless they are profane or insulting.)
• Spreading personal information about another player, even if it’s false information.
• Harassing, mocking, insulting players or Game Masters. (This includes creating pointless GM tickets such as asking for game tips or gold.)
• Scamming, though what specifically qualifies as an actionable scam is a very strict, and most instances of what players call ‘scams’ are not, in fact, actionable.

Someone trying to sell something isn’t griefing. Take a step back, kiddo.

[Gnasha-grobbulus]

@Cpwar-area-52

Participating in a kill does not give you carte blanche to roll on whatever you deem necessary in an attempt to sell it

It does though. It really does. They participated in the same content and are just as entitled to roll as you are. Try getting over yourself and you might see this simple truism. Greed and envy is clouding your judgement. This is why we used to teach our children about these deadly sins and how to avoid them, look what it has done to your attitude.

@Cpwar-area-52

to grief other players.

That is actively griefing other players game play.

I cannot roll my eyes hard enough.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Gooberina-bloodhoof

Assuming you didn’t rage and tantrum all over the place when it happened.

Unfortunately, by the way they’re acting in here… I have little faith that they just quietly accepted it.

[Vulkova-illidan]

They have the right to roll on any gear they want. It’s not up to you whether they need it or not.

[Flashock-stormrage]

@Tiresias-moon-guard

Choice is the difference. With personal loot people don’t have a choice to roll, the game does it for them. With group loot people are making a choice to roll sometimes with bad intentions like selling gear.

I’d still rather have the choice.
Even if it allows people to make bad choices.

Speaking from experience, when you win the same item 3-5 weeks in a row and don’t have any choice. It sucks big time.

[Sarama-firetree]

With my rolls on trinkets, I might consider buying one off someone, but I’m broke, so I’d have to trade hoof pics or something.

[Cpwar-area-52]

Honestly, nothing I can say or do would change the outcome, the minute he messaged me (almost instantly), read what he wrote, I chuckled and put him on ignore.

Honestly, his intentions were to win it and sell it, period.

He hit need in bad faith, and everybody here defending him, is the reason why there is so much toxic behavior in the game.

[Flashock-stormrage]

You haven’t given a solution though.

PL is not the solution.

It would still happen exactly the way you described.

A solution would be something like not letting people trade gold cross server.

Now of course, that wouldn’t actually stop anything. People managed to sell carries before you could trade cross realm. It could be enough hinderance to stop it from happening as commonly… maybe.

We’re not defending them, we’re just pointing out that finding a solution isn’t that easy and PL definitely wouldn’t solve the issue, could even make it worse.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Cpwar-area-52

everybody here defending him

I don’t see anyone defending him. As a matter of fact, I specifically said it was stupid behavior.

But the facts still stand:

1. Coded in game rules allowed him to roll
2. It isn’t griefing

[Sarama-firetree]

@Cpwar-area-52

He hit need in bad faith

He participated, was eligible and won. Anything he does after that is up to him. That’s not bad faith. You certainly wouldn’t be complaining if he just decided to give it to you after he won.

[Drexigan-illidan]

If I can roll need I’m rolling need.

[Vulkova-illidan]

Personal loot people just can’t stand seeing themselves lose the loot roll. That’s all it is. They hit need, roll a 6 and then get sad.

[Tiresias-moon-guard (Tiresias)]

I am not saying remove group loot from the game but give groups the choice of if they use group loot or personal loot. If you don’t like personal loot don’t play with groups that use that choice. I am a fan of choice.

[Zemus-hyjal]

We kicked a tank last night because he didn’t need any of the drops, but he need rolled on and won all the plate items. We finally had enough and booted him.

[Cpwar-area-52]

While I would agree with you, If he wasn’t a healer and wasn’t rolling on a DPS item.

A healer rolling on a DPS item is indeed bad faith.

As a DPS am i allowed to roll on healing items? No.

So yes, it is the definition of bad faith.