Perma is a bit extreme but I doubt that’s for first offenses, and it’s often a matter of intent where using a macro to circumvent a very obvious limitation isn’t something you really do casually or accidentally.
Also kind of interesting how we go from “didn’t do anything” to “okay yeah it was an exploit but it doesn’t warrant this much of a penalty”.
Now if only they’d ding the EBG premaders for sitting there and ruining the mode for hundreds of people.
The thing is that neither do the players. Which is why yesterday it was “bans for turning XP off” and today it’s “yeah I exploited but this is going too far!”
The false bans are probably true and completely intentional collateral damage on Blizzard’s part. Appropriate appeals will likely be overturned.
Said false-positives could also be just that: collateral damage. They can also be compete utter lies from the reported individuals to exaggerate the issue at hand. There’s no telling here.
A sudden rise in level 11 twinks certainly raises some flags. What exactly was the fun/gain here if not RMT and/or exploiting features?
Yes, people lie, players and staff.
My point wasn’t that there aren’t liars or skepticism on both sides, it’s that just because Blizzard said its one way, does not necessarily make it so.
Forum admins are deleting these threads about banned twinks for some reason.
The moment Shannon sees this, it’s gone.
They delete any thread that whisleblows.
of course. i’m just saying that whether or not a behavior is intended doesn’t dictate whether it’s bannable or not. not all unintended actions are bannable.
it does, but you don’t know what those players’ violation history looks like. for all we know they’ve been suspended multiple times for abusive chat, account sharing, gold selling/buying, etc.
I’m not sure how you even managed to interpret “people purposely bypassing an XP debuff to boost others” with “I didn’t buy the expansion so they’re going to ban me if I run a dungeon.”
This was an exploit problem, not people playing the game normally.
Because discussing any type of disciplinary actions and/or exploits has never really been allowed on the forum.
This is correct. In my decades of gaming, there have been several situations I’ve witnessed where something was considered “clever use of game mechanics” where another person would call it “blatant cheating”. One example was where players got a boss stuck in terrain and were able to fight while it couldn’t do anything. They were allowed to keep their victory.
But a person who hasn’t bought TWW and has a very geared character from DF S4 can do the same thing as a 11 twink (there are odd points in the scaling curve for timewalking, 70 is one of them). As I pointed out earlier, there technically is no different short of one is considered at MAX LEVEL and thus no need to toggle off their XP gains while the other had to explicitly disable XP gains. Why should one be allowed but not the other?
Being a twink is not bannable. It never was. It never will be.
Purposely finding ways to bypass an XP debuff is an exploit.
Correct, sorry, you’re right, you can queue with them as long as they’re okay with the experience eliminated debuff. But unless you’re carrying 4 80’s (not sure what the point of that would be), why would anyone purposely do that?
I guess the broader question, what point is there for a PvE based twink? I understand the PvP twink community, as they’re restricted to only playing against each other. I don’t understand what purpose a PvE twink would serve if not to help out friends / family / guildies.
I never implied it was. And I agree, my question is what is the purpose? Why is that one specific case blocked when there are other viable ways? And yes I know the level 11 twink is better in all cases, but a geared 70 is pretty close, a geared 80 is doable, and it might even work with the right 20 (haven’t really tested this).
PVE ones are basically for that or yourself. Some people have more than 1 account, so they can queue up with a twink alt and annihilate dungeons for quicker exp.
Hold up, we’re literally talking about the experience eliminated debuff that gets placed on players who group with a twink. Your response to my question of what is the purpose of a PvE twink is based on circumventing that debuff.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to ask here. If the game allows you to lock XP, then you can lock XP and run whatever you want normally in the game.
Always interesting to see what Blizzard marks off as, “Clever use of game mechanics” & “Ban them.”
That’s correct. That’s why most people were doing it.
People who make twinks in general are not going to be honest why they do it. PVP twinks used to say “I do it to fight other twinks” but we all know that was a load of 
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I’m not seeing the ambiguity around bypassing the XP off debuff.
Talk about foreshadowing