People are defending 554

What would happen? They lower requirement to 551, but the heroics have been slightly buffed and as such drop 580 versus the 571 they dropped last week.

So you’ll walk in with 551, get slapped around because the mobs have more health and do more damage, and then come back to the forums and complain they’re overtuned.

Fixed that for you

As opposed to the solid logic of ad hominem generalizations?

So you were made aware in advance of this change, so you and others like you could take steps to get your main geared up in time to gear up as any normal person would assume was going to be a legitimate path to gearing for heroic dungeons?

It’s okay for blizzard to lie to me, because you got yours, and people who were leveling up alts shouldn’t be permitted to play your game.

Considering how many of you guys are gloating over this change and how it will affect lesser mortals, it’s reasonable to consider your attitudes in the mix.

That’s just the type of person you are. Playing the game has nothing to do with that, but you are proud of it. Wave your victim card harder, big guy.

So you were informed about the upcoming changes that would prevent people who had already begun taking “the steps required before moving onto harder content” would likely be set back? Because everyone who was doing normal dungeons had every reason to believe that this was not going to be changed.

So you are under the impression that the “vast majority” of players are in the top 2%? You need to crawl out from under your rock and get out more.

You seem to be here in this forum for the purpose of showing how superior you are to the lesser mortals who pay the development cost of your content.

Here’s the real reason for these changes: Delves turned out to be unexpectedly FAR less popular among the demographic blizzard had announced they were designed for, ie casuals and solo players. At the intro level they are stupid and unrewarding. The fact that anyone would have thought those players would find this inspirational enough to continue just shows how out of touch Blizzard is with their playerbase and how little respect they have for the vast majority of people who pay to keep the lights on.

They need numbers they can report to Microsoft that they are on the right track. This is a complete failure. The very people they want to do them will be unable to get to the level that gives the gear they need to do them. Basically it’s a design disaster. But I feel vindicated, because I saw this design issue coming. You were all wrong. Go down in flames. Fan those flames harder.

You have already lost.

You do know that gearing up for Heroic via Normal previously was also an unrealistic goal, right? 551. That’s what it was. Normals drop 554. You needed to average your gear to 551. 15 slots for one weapon, 16 for dual wield or a one-hander and off-hand.

Did YOU fill all those slots via dungeons? I actually don’t know a single person that did.

Oh, I did?

I’m not the one admitting defeat because I’ve been walled off from Heroics lol.

Already cleared 'em all in PvP gear ffs. Onto the next thing.

Play. The. Game.

That is all. The only ones complaining, haven’t played enough. See above.

My 570 came from:

X3 Renown 580 pieces (campaign currency)
A couple normal dungeon drops.
Some WQ gear (Rings)
Weapon from rare mobs.

And I can pop straight into heroics. Gearing is entirely possible from just campaign and time played / zero crafted gears.

exactly, the gear and difficulty should prepare you for the next stage of the dungeon journey, except Normal gear is trash, and heroic difficulty is laughably easy… then you get into mythic. >.>

Its almost as if Blizzard doesnt understand how to properly ramp up difficulty, especially in dungeons.

Im not asking them to nerf M0 but to maybe give the scaling of item level a look and perhaps make heroics a proper middle ground between normal and mythic.

Then I’m doing something very wrong.

Do valorstones drop from normal dungeons? If they don’t then unless you’re sitting on a stack of them from last week you can’t do that either.

Do world quests, kill rares, do some crafting, and fill gaps in with some cheap 558 greens for a few hundred gold a piece. Earlier in this thread I mentioned my shaman, well I got the rest of the way up to about 570 not long after, with only one normal Dawnbreaker (and all I got for it was a ring downgrade, I just did it for the weekly quest) in total from the time I hit 80 and the time I queued for my first heroic

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Yes, they do. But probably not as much as you’d get from World Quests. I think WQ is the fastest way to get valorstones.

Every now and then you hit a new renown level that gives a whole bag of them.

I agree with you. Normal mode should gear you for heroic mode. Not everyone wants to do WQs or has the gold to buy things from the AH. Some people enjoy spamming dungeons.

Blizz needs to remove their heads from their posteriors

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They def do about 50 per run or so

There are a lot of wow andy’s on the forums who will defend blizz decisions no matter what.

You shouldn’t have to do all that…nor have we ever been forced to…on every single toon just to be able to set foot in heroic dungeon finder or LFR.

No one is saying it’s impossible to do. We’re saying it’s absurd, and the people defending it are absurd.

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Why? It’s easy, it gets you out into the world, and you only have to do it once

What’s absurd is that you want to just sit afk in the city for your entire dungeon queue when you can actually be playing the game

get out of here with logical solutions

Actually Dragonflight was the most alt friendly.

…it’s the fanboys. Always the fanboys. They defend everything Blizz does.

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