A good example of making gameplay out of attaining flying comes from legion. Each zone could have had heavy Fel-Cannon presence, and you have to embark on zone wide questline/missions on disabling them, and or turning them against the legion so they shoot down fel bats etc.
Pathfinder truly is just lazy.
I’m an infrequent player BECAUSE of pathfinder.
Flying has never been a starting gimmick. The lack of flying paces the progression and allows some level of immersion into the world. It seems a lot of people complaining about it do not care about the game progression at all. Kind of like a Veruca Salt Syndrome.
i want free flying
I would like it to be changed to less of a rep grind into more of a story oriented quest based thing. At least then it won’t be so gd repetitive and boring.
Pathfinder is an easy way to make a reward out of flying for individuals that want it, which is nearly everyone.
Pathfinder requires immersion into the world and seeing it from the point of perspective that the game designers intended.
Pathfinder allows the designers to push content faster because they do not need to complete the models from a birds eye point of view.
Pathfinder slows the progression through content to allow the dev’s time to address other aspects of the game and work on other projects.
Pathfinder is in conjunction with many of the other aspects of the game, rep grind is required for other aspects. At least you only have to do it on the one toon, it used to be character specific!
I’d be onboard for no flying in Shadowlands personally, instead of the candy crush questing.
The current Pathfinder implementation has some problems:
It is a temporary solution, meant for the content in that respective expac.
A full Pathfinder would require players either stop exp gains to grind it out or double back at maximum level.
Rep gains are very low.
One solution would be some type of universal pathfinder that does not require a grind for 1-50 content.
Not really true. The ability to fly should not hamper the game devs from providing any type of service to the game community. Flying is, if nothing more, a convenience, that allows players to get things done quicker or bypass longer routes by flying over them. As stated before…I have no qualms about earning the right to fly…but the tedious requirements needed in PF 1 and 2 as of BfA…they could be better or even the missions revamped to include other missions. And I am almost done with it.
When they introduced flying, the dev said they have to go back and create the tops of buildings and everything from a birds eye view they had neglected.
Being apart of a software development I have begun to understand the short cuts necessary to push a product.
Right. They should remove it from Shadowlands entirely. We are all on an even playing field then, no one is special.
Or, flying is available when the last boss of the last raid is downed for everyone. Oh, btw… to temper everything else, we have provided other means to place obstacles that require grinding. Why? Because that is what the game is all about in the first place, repeatable content in a virtual space as you (the player) avoid real life.
I would not mind if flying were gone altogether. Been there. I could also see implementing completing story line content to get access to flying as well. But in the end, grinding is not the same in each and every case. Sometimes it can be fun. Or it can be bad. It can be a thing that takes your mind away or it can be utterly boring. Differs from person to person. Don’t know what you mean by saying avoid real life.
Agreed. One of my friends who is an infrequent casual warrior was unable to defeat the solo boss entering Nazjatar. His item level was in the 280’s so I helped him gear up, showed him how to quickly get gear through world quests. He does not do instances because he has kids and family and concentrating on content is not his priority. He gave up because he wold never complete Pathfinder 2 and I could not assist him.
Now for a lot of people they will scoff at his inability to complete that portion of the entry to Nazjatar, but he has been a paying customer since Vanilla. In that time he has a family and career changes, and spending a little time in wow is just fun.
Flying becomes crucial when dedicated players compete for things in the game, like being able to mine ore mounted and flying. I do not pull the mobs and get away quick, the ground bound toon fights there way to something and well, it disappears because it is on some sort of timer.
That is one example of countless other frustrations when some people can fly and other can’t. So I get that.
Demanding flying because you are lazy and do not want to see the zone is like saying you just don’t care. That is why I completely support no flying until you have experienced the zone AND more importantly, given everyone a chance on fair ground.
I think the idea of making flying available when the last boss of the last raid is downed on mythic level is a really good solution. That would also make it so that everyone becomes interesting in the race to that boss. Now, I could care less who is doing what.
Pathfinder requires you to not have a brain or a life.
Honestly, when I looked at the information regarding PFP1 for BFA, I thought nothing of it, b/c we had to do the same for pretty much all expansions after Cataclysm. When I played BFA, without knowing just by “playing the game” I actually achieved unlocking Pathfinder Part 1 for BFA. It just happens when you just play the game. The story questlines for Kul’Tiras and Zandalar actually brings you to the exploration areas you need to partially unlock for PFP1. War Campaign is a bit “time gated” for PFP1 which I can understand why that might be frustrating for players. I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for players just to play the game to unlock flying. It’s 100x better than trying to save gold to unlock Rank 80 flying at 5,000 gold. By that time, sure, you “should” have 5k in ur pockets just for that reason. Now, you need to grind factions, explore and achieve War Campaign completion for BFA. How was this any different from WoD > BFA? None. Vanilla > Cata you actually paid to fly at rank 40, 60 and 80. So, initial 1-40 rank gap then leading up to 20 rank gap in between to be able to fly is better than current exploring, War Campaign and being Revered with factions? How? in 8.2, some “hardcore” players were already Revered with Rustbolt Faction in 3 days and within 5 days, Revered with Ankoan then unlocked flying. So, 5 days, it took a few “try hards” to unlock 8.2 Flying but there’s complaining about how difficult or painstaking it is? It’s really not if you know the short cuts. It actually took me 1.5 weeks to unlock 8.2 flying if you’ve already completed BFA PFP1.
Being grounded for the initial part of a new expansion or DLC is just for that reason, to “explore”. There’s nothing wrong with being grounded to get rewarded with flying by doing actual content. I still can’t fly in WoD, do I get salty about it? No. Why? Because I have no interest in going to that xpac to do anything other than grind xmogs which I’ve already completed for my Warrior (which is the best WoD xmog imo) and Blackrock Foundry isn’t a huge leap away from the FP there. So, it was a real easy grind for a few weeks between 2 plate toons even though I can’t fly in WoD. Every other xpac, I’m flying, why? because I’ve “earned” it.
Initial flying should not be “given” to players during a DLC. Expansion, I can say yes, to, but we’re still in 8. 9.0 is coming but not soon enough. 8.0-8.3 is still a “chain” for Flying. If you are new to BFA, well, sorry, but BFA PFP1 is kinda tedious but 8.2 is easier w/ 8.0-8.1 finished. I think majority of players who are returning back to BFA after 8.0-8.1 debacle are realizing they need to put in work to unlock flying. Well, hate to say it, but, Blizzard gave EVERYONE a well in advanced heads up on what you need to do to complete flying and they gave you ALL the tools to do so. I don’t feel sorry for players who are either new or returning to BFA. If you’re returning, you already know it take work to get rewarded. If you are new to BFA but have alts…well, the main advice I have is pick a Human toon for 10% inc rep, buy 7th legion Contracts and just play the game. The catch up mechanics are there for you in 8.2.5 from 8.0, you just gotta put in some work to get flying rewarded. Also, try not to bounce between your main and alt if you’re starting out fresh with BFA 8.0 content, it’s not that “alt friendly”. Just concentrate on your main from 8.0-8.2.5 content and within weeks, you’ll unlock flying depending on your dedication. Good luck, have fun and remember, it’s just a GAME. You can quit at anytime.
Trolling Forums is a sign of lifelessness and complaining about people with no life. I enjoy my time in wow and complain for different reasons, not because I want to avoid putting in a little effort. However I have provided a solution in another post that might interest you… Just let the non flying crowd zone and play with themselves in a server - #94 by Inkwell-senjin
Its 8am, what do you want?
Patience. Patience is the final hoop. Blame MoP for introducing patience as a game mechanic.
PvP vs nonPvP servers are one thing, but now you want them to customize servers based on boutique gameplay? Where does that stop? As long as we’re being needy children, I’d like a server with no blood elves allowed, another where I can stealth as a warrior, and another where I can run current raids solo without dying. By your logic I pay for the game so I’m well within my rights to demand all of these things.
But, by your logic, I’m also very, very wrong.
After hearing the response in the QnA panel, I have rather lost hope of open dialogue in general. This and there is little to no discussion about actual game-play elements and desires in their own designated forums. It’s almost as though they read complaints, and pick the ones that can hold the attention the longest and satiates their own desires.
I was rather amused by the boos, but even after the statement of the contentious nature of it, they still stubbornly push forward with the same idea that time and time again.
I actually like the idea of pathfinder itself, and is it is alt friendly to some extent. What is not game player friendly, or pleasurable in any form is the literal time gating of every aspect of it. From requiring time gated factions, to literally gated the unlock behind a patch 9 months later.
And to that I ask, if this is cycle, why are we getting a flying mount in the limited edition compared to the past two containing ground mounts.
This consistent spewing of it trivializing content has never being flushed out. After you complete the first pathfinder, the content is essentially trivial. That and all flying is, player controlled transportation between point A and B. That exists across a multitude of games, and nowadays the concepts of portals or “instantaneous” travel is probably more common than the idea of flight (faster travel)
The nuanced hills and worthless mobs hold no value after the first run-through. All being grounded forces you to do is to either get knocked off by a mob of no value, or jump of ledges finding that sweet spot you might not die at.
If they were to make combating the trash mobs of the world hold some value, or add more actual content to the game that would substantiate actual ground travel I would have no issue with it’s exclusivity. But at this point it’s just seeing how long one can be slowed down doing the same content over and over.
My issue with Pathfinder is primarily in the method behind acquisition. I do think maybe some kind of zone-specific quest chain would be fun. However… Rep Gated content is fine. My biggest issue is the only way to get Rep is via WQs, which just aren’t that fun in-and-of-themselves. If WQs were more engaging content - content that I actively wanted to do because of their own merits - then I’d be perfectly fine with Pathfinder.
shrugs I am not the one with the issue with getting pathfinder, I am offering solutions with a little bit of sarcasm but still plausible.
I was happy with LFR, Normal and Heroic levels of difficulty. I was happy with a lot of the content until this expansion and never bothered with forums. And there are no more pvp or pve servers, its with wm or not.
One thing I noticed from pvp to pve servers back when we had them, pvp servers are more respectful of other players in close proximity of each other. Sure there are those guys who gank lower level players, but on a PvE server being flagged is like blood in the water. If you had a high level on a pvp server, you earned that.