At this point, I think it really must be discussed between the devs and the community. I’ve come to expect PF as a reality going forward every expac.
However, it still doesn’t mean that I agree with having stupid PF in general. The old gold system was fine. HOWEVER, I am not discussing these views right now.
What I think needs to happen is for us to discuss changes that need to be made to it. The grinding and the wait times on when we actually get to fly are bad.
Just bad design in general. It’s also lazy design at thos point. For the last few expacs, PF feels copy/pasted in.
It’s boring design also.
Why not a story in each zone explaining why we can’t fly and have us earn it back that way throughout the same patch? Also once we complete the storyline, we get flying back that moment? Maybe give us an actual reason to want to go back and explore instead of just to fill out a map.
I noticed floaty things in your Shadowlands preview. Will there be ways to reach those without flying?
Anyways, those are my ideas on how PF needs to be improved upon.
What are YOUR suggestions thoughts on how it can be improved upon?
TLDR: To suggest changes to Pathfinder since it’s apparently not going away.
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I think Pathfinder is a perfectly good system and the best way to keep in flying.
Universal flying is very bad - until we’ve scoured the zones for a year upon which they become WQ zerg lands.
I do however think they could make flying regions in zones - say on the edge of the map so you can reach floating islands and such. Or perhaps huge stretches of flat plains in part of a zone (as great example of these are in Dragonblight).
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A lot of the problem is the grinds itself (for me at least) Fill a bar because unexplained reasons got old a while back.
At least Mechalecha Isle had reasons.
Maybe you’re relatively new to the game. It has been discussed with the devs. At length.
Pathfinder is the compromise that came out of those discussions. Community wanted flying, devs didn’t. They agreed to put it back in as a bonus for players who unlock certain challenges.
The virtue of a good compromise is that you don’t get to come back and demand more without offering more.
Pathfinder is fine.
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Meh, the old gold system got too expensive if you wanted to play more than one character. With Pathfinder, you do it once and you’re done - I love that.
My personal head canon for the rep grind (that I don’t really find grindy since you get most of it done just playing the story) is: restricted air space. We have to prove we’re trusted to be allowed passage through the zone’s air traffic.
So overall, I think the current system is great.
That said, I wouldn’t object to some kind of story-based quest being involved in getting us through the last rep gap to revered, if it’s more interesting than the repetitive dailies we did for Pandaria flying.
I personally don’t mind PF, or rep grinds for that matter. But I do think this would be more interesting. Make it feel like a cool climactic endpoint. The little swoosh you get for hitting a reputation rank is a bit limp and arbitrary.
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yep i can’t stand the current pathfinder system, it and no tier sets are probably going to keep me from buying Shadowlands… and man that makes me so damn sad,…
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I am most definitely not new to this discussion. I was here long before Bliz decided player controlled flight suddrnly became an issue.
Thousands of posts on the subject of flight for years.
This is not a debate post. This is an actual discussion and suggestion thread that mayhaps one of the blues actually notices.
Went and editted OP to clarifly the point of the thread.
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You’re totally going to buy Shadowlands. I can tell.
I dont mind pathfinder. I think the game is better without flying up front.
I don’t mind having to earn flying in an expansion but the tedium of doing it currently in BfA is really bad. I really hate grinding out the WQs and such (same missions over and over) and then not wanting to even play the game at all. It’s like a chore that as soon as I am done I run away from. I hate hating to play because of that.
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Coughs and chokes back a disbelieving snort.
Pathfinder and good are two words not belonging in the same sentence. I’m going to use the old hackneyed response (shame on me). If you don’t like flying, don’t fly - but don’t suggest those of us that do like flying should be denied having it purely for a gaming time-extending metric.
Pathfinder sucks and I will say that until I stop playing WoW. With all the gaming options available to them that they could use, and don’t, it simply means that the issue isn’t a gaming one. It’s a financial one. Its just…poopoohead design.
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Devs can’t hear us from way up in their ivory tower.
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Pathfinder does NOT need to change. Many of us enjoy it in its current iteration. You’re in the minority whether you like it or not, OP. The forum isn’t a representation of the playerbase. Get real.
I’d like them to split off p1 and p2, but the MUST is a bit much.
And yet, when the developers said in WoD that they were removing flight from the game going forward, the enormous negative response from the players (on this forum, on other forums and in the game) was so loud that they backed off. So what was said on the various forums WAS a valid representation, apparently.
And then hit us with Pathfinder. Which many of us could only see as a punishment.
And oddly enough, when PF was announced in Wod I cannot recall a single person getting on the forum and saying “Fabulous, I love Pathfinder, more grinding, bring it on!”.
Let me know if you find one who did…
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Yeah, enough players were mad about the complete removal but not enough are mad about pathfinder. Lets see some mass unsubs for pathfinder and you guys will see a change. Until then it’s time to suck it up.
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That is NOT a compromise. We didn’t get anything out of it. And them not WANTING flying?! Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference WHAT they want. We pay them, not the other way around.
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Pretty much this. I, myself, quit in WoD when they said no flying. I was willing to die on that hill… this one not so much. I doubt I am alone on that.
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Then stop paying them, that’s how changes are made. If you keep paying them then they pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
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