Pathfinder seems irrelevant now

Or they might know a bit more about game design. Because…

This isn’t the issue. The speed of which you can complete a task isn’t a negative in this context, at that point all you need to do is to add more content to do. Which is what has happened ever since TBC with each expansion bringing in more and more things for players to do.

This isn’t the issue, but rather it is how these activities are done.

TBC flying promotes afking and a complete disconnect from other players around you and even the world you are playing in. We can use DF as an excellent example of this in fact:
Compare the activities of something like the Tuskarr cooking event and Time Rifts. Because … since you have to land and you gotta participate, why not participate more? It is way more fun than to merely sit around. If you are doing something else and will afk then sure, but you’ll still have participated some amount.
Whereas the Time Rifts have you get reputation and currencies that increase for everyone the more people participate. However, for most folks who have done these ones a few times, all you care about is the big portal. So… you flew up to the pillars in the middle of the event, afked there, and just waited.

TBC flying allows you to have one of these “AFK podiums” with you wherever you go. In DF, prior to TBC flight being reintroduced, Time Rifts were unfortunately located in a place where you could afk within the region but outside of harm’s way and… very few people liked the folks who sat afk up there. Of course they had the right to sit afk, and they could they weren’t in anyone’s way, and they were just after the big portal at the end, and since there wasn’t anything for them to do they could just … sit there.

This is the basic principle that forever changed how people interacted with one and another since the introduction of flying in WoW. Each cavern, each Timeless Isle, each phased zone, no flying zone, each Pathfinding achievement, and so on and so on has been an attempt to naturally limit people’s desire to afk and not engage with other players.

Literally all that is different about Dragonriding/Skydiving is that you will need to land at some point. And that small difference is enough to have made DF one of the most interacted and active expansions since… at least WoD. So about ten years.


There’s other aspects of it that changed flying from being a necessity in Vanilla and Cataclysm, to being a hinderance in quite literally every single other expansion. Which has to do with travel time and distances, something which again, Dragonriding/Skydiving found a better solution for with none of the issues that TBC flying brings to the table. Both systems have flaws but TBC flying’s type of flaws is what has made it one of the most detrimental additions for the game’s overall health.

And that’s the reality of it.

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It was never relevant. It was timegating an aspect of the game players loved in order to keep them working towards getting it. Now, frankly, its just punishment for wanting standard flight rather than loving dragonriding/dynamic flight/etc.

Aside from the fact that I disagree that it promotes anything, my response would be…so what? So what is wrong with putting your mount up in the air while you go make that tasty cup of capuccino? What is the difference between that and putting your drake on top of a mountain somewhere out of harm’s way and doing the same thing?

Have never got this PoV. People go AFK in things all the time (points at Remix dungeon runs), its habitual in WoW. And you don’t have to “participate” in everything to get reward (also points at Hunts, where you can just win the reward by flying past it).

So wrong I can’t even understand how you would think that. My own physical condition (which I dont feel I should have to justify and won’t) makes gimmick flying actually painful if I do it too much. For me, standard flight is a blessing.

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I do not believe in this world view.

airswimming should be deleted at this point.

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I already covered this. Actually read what I said.
Time Rifts versus Tuskarr cooking.

Which I have also already covered, although this one was in a different comment:
Pathfinder has nothing to do with accessibility, but TBC flying does. However when comparing TBC flying and DR/SR the actual difference between those two in how they affect the game is that you have to, eventually, always land with the latter.


Edit: realized I was unclear what I meant with this so I will clarify.
The assertion you are making that my point is wrong is in fact wrong on several levels. Because in terms of the overall game’s health and how it impacts the game, I’m correct, the only real difference is that one has to land. However, it doesn’t actually mean that my point goes against your overall point you wanted to make here but failed because you wanted to be inflammatory and decry me as wrong.

TBC flight has to do with accessibility, which we know it does, and have official confirmation by the developers. However that is entirely irrelevant because that isn’t the point I’m making, as I was talking about why Pathfinding isn’t about accessibility but about game design.

Just because TBC flying is an accessibility option, doesn’t make it so that Pathfinding requirements are. They address different areas of the game, and from that perspective, the only difference between different ways to fly in-game is part of why TBC flight is sticking around rather than being outright removed from the game in The War Within.

I thought Ion announced that true flight would be available at max level.

Steady flight is going to be available once you do

The four main leveling campaigns

Exploring the four leveling zones

Reach max level

DR aka dynamic flying aka skyriding is probably going to see more massive nerfs to speed if the maps remain small in TWW.

Well it is causing massive stress on servers and…

Actually DR is more likely to be deleted because it is causing massive strain on servers and small maps.

That is why in TWW beta they had to nerf DR speeds down to old world speed in the new TWW zones. Don’t be surprised to see another speed nerf to DR or it becomes normalized to be the same as TBC normal flying speed.

:surfing_woman: :surfing_man:

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Seriously?

So disagreeing with you is being inflammatory? OK, I’ll resolve that concern for you by not disagreeing (or interacting at all) with your opinions now and in the future.

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Having dialogue and communication is inflammatory to them, because they lack momentum, logic and passion for their anti TBC normal flying stance.

I have personally never been against DR truthfully but I am against forcing people to use DR to pad metrics.

BlizZard invested a lot of money into DR and they are not seeing the return of investment on it so they are barging forward like a donkey with its head down thinking this time will be different…

But each time they do that they end up hitting the wall when they can take the easy win.

Quite sad really but the easy win is to allow TBC normal flying with no poisons pills or strings attached to be released at the same time as DR.

:surfing_woman: :surfing_man:

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How is it a step backwards? Unlocking Pathfinder doesn’t lock you out of dynamic flight - THAT would be a step backwards. This isn’t even a step, just another, slower path that opened up should people want to take a side-step and slow down.

I agree, I’m going to go ahead and assume you missed the /s at the end of my post lol

I don’t care what this /s is because I am not part of the forum initial community or whatever. I don’t speak the forums language okay so yeah I’ll take whatever you’ve said seriously. I am not some person that you can joke around with because I take every word that every person says seriously.

It just means that i was being sarcastic, very commonly used on the internet :woman_shrugging:

Its impossible to judge how a comment is ‘spoken’ because we dont hear a tone of voice.

If the writer is being sarcastic they will often use the /s to indicate that. If they don’t, its open season to take them at their word.

any point you can bring up about how bad regular flying I can say dragon riding is worse because the effects are increased.

anything one can do, the other does better and to greater effect. all you do is come off as angry and petty that you cant force people into your style of flying.

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I like the concept of sky-swimming but only with pure magical or appropriate mounts like carpets, brooms, insects, etc.

Those with wings should sky ride. Just IMHO.

That’s not what I said, but yes. You are being inflammatory due to the fact you outright said “So wrong I can’t even understand how you would think that.” when in fact, you didn’t even understand the point I was making. And then went on to talk about something entirely unrelated to the point I was making.

I’m not the guy who behaved like the person above, nor was I the one to say “Anyone who claims otherwise is being utterly disingenuous and clearly bias.”


The hilarious part that is always showcased whenever the topic of flying in WoW pops up on these forums is that folks literally don’t think about the ramifications of the game rather than individual wants. Yes, TBC flying has an aspect concerning accessibility and no one refutes that or has ever refuted that. But that doesn’t change the other aspects surrounding it that has to be taken into account.

The world didn’t remove stairs just because wheelchairs and people with physical disabilities preventing people to use stairs. But knowing when and where to put ramps and the difference between when it is wanted, necessary, or warranted to do so are all different aspects.

And the same mentality as the one above also goes into game design. But folks just wanna virtue signal so actual disabilities and how accomodate people gets completely lost, in favour of people opting to pretend that they care. But sure, I’m angry because I actually explain how these things affect the game.

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They’re all over Zaralek Cavern running bot trains on mineral and herb nodes.

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The imp has to have his little tortures. A grown man can you imagine?

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