Just remove flying entirely.
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I enjoy flying and would kill the have flying earlier than 11 months. And if we don’t stand up they may just keep increasing it until it gets to the point we are finished farming for the expansion before it is available.
But I also don’t despise pathfinder, I think having something to unlock for flying is a great idea, just, insert explicit here make it shorter, like, a lot shorter. It has gotten longer with each expac and really is nothing more than you say, a vengeful way for the devs to say “Yeh we must put flying in to save our jobs, but you can go jump in a lake if you think we are making it useful to you”.
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People either purposely forget this happened so they can formulate an argument about removing flying, or were never there when it happened.
Hell I wasn’t there when it happened, took a break during WoD and came back for Legion only to find this pathfinder thing, and only after reading into it and the more time that goes on the more I realise, the current dev team does not care for the players, they take whatever opinion they can that agrees with their views and roll with it.
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Hit the nail on the head. This is why Classic needs all the support we can give it. We NEED to show retail WoW that what players want isn’t a bunch of mindless garbage thrown together with the appearance of a game we once loved.
I can only hope that classic’s popularity will be a wakeup call for retail and their development team…
I think they just haven’t found the right recipe yet between all the aspects of the game to keep it exciting to the point of whether having flight or not doesn’t create a difference in the time we spend playing, because people will just be happy to be there ![:smile_cat:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smile_cat.png?v=6" ":smile_cat:")
Because you are a troll. Still coming into the tread to derail. You still haven’t added anything to the thread and since you seem to be unable to make any point to me what so ever, you insult instead. You’re a joke and your posting is on par with that of a child.
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OP you are right but the reality is you are dealing with the not so bright so most will disagree with you. Most of the player base is like children. And like children they imagine it is a good idea to nothing but candy for a diet. However they lack the foresight to see how that would cause them to rote their teeth and make them nutrition deficient. And when they can’t think through the logic of their wiser guardian they just come up with the explanation of “Grown ups are mean!”.
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People disagree because the OPs post is based purely on speculation. In fact, we have precedent, most of the games history in fact, that completely rejects the OPs ideas. Also, I wouldn’t be on the side of calling people children when you lack basic spelling and grammar skills.
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- Disparages the points of view he doesn’t agree with by calling them children.
Yeah. You’re going to make a lot of friends, here.
So, Mr. Adult, please tell me why time-gating systems are good for the overall health of the game. I’m eager to hear your wisdom.
This. Unambiguously this.
Blizz (as a company, not the developers in particular) want flying removed from the game because it actually takes a decent amount of developer time to implement it in every new zone. Cutting flying from the zones would save money.
And certain developers want flying removed from the game because they worry that players with flying aren’t experiencing the game as the developers intended it. But this is another example of them trying to fix a problem that doesn’t really need fixing. It’s a game development issue, not a gameplay issue.
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My only issue with these tinfoil-hat theories is this: Do you really give Blizztard enough credibility to think they could come up with this on their own?
Are you serious? A tinfoil-hat theory?
It’s the kind of manipulative behaviour MOST companies engage in these days, in order to justify a cost-saving policy that they know will be unpopular with their customers.
Blizz tried to remove flying once before, and only backtracked because of the overwhelming backlash. This is their second attempt.
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I agree with you here. They want flying removed from the game to save resources and have more control over players concerning consumption of content. In the end though I wonder if they haven’t wasted more resources when they would save to make the removal of flying more acceptable to more players. MOP was the last xpac I bought because they wanted to delay flight in WOD. Instead they gave us Pathfinder which made sure that I wont buy any more xpacs. I played through WOD and Legion once they rolled over to free and I think with flying at cap I would have spend more time in both of them. Instead I didn’t even finish the Suramar quest line because “Do 10 WQ.”. With flying I would enjoy the endgame content, without I don’t. BFA with all the dungeon requirements for the main Alliance quest chain sounds so bad, I don’t think I will even play it. Instead of giving us "content that is so good we wont miss flying, they give us zones so flooded with enemies that all I can think about is flying.
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s also insanity for you to assume you know exactly what they’re planning. Can you read their thoughts? The only thing I know for certain about current-day Blizzard is that they are extremely incompetent. Saying that they’re maliciously rubbing their hands together as they puppeteer the playerbase into doing what they want is just something I can’t buy into. They’re too stupid for that. This is like expecting an orc to understand and appreciate elven poetry.
This is, of course, just my opinion.
With this dev team, I suspect the result will be more along the lines of “look how popular classic is! See, players really don’t want flying in the game.”
Okay, so I will agree that it is impossible for me to know exactly what Blizzard employees are thinking. But that doesn’t make all theories equally plausible. Based on Blizz’s statements and previous actions, and on an understanding of modern corporate culture, some theories are more plausible than others.
And no, I do not think that it is at all plausible that Blizz are as incompetent as you make them out to be. They are just… differently-motivated. Which sometimes means that they aren’t completely in touch with their playerbase. And it’s a highly diverse playerbase, too. Even the players aren’t in universal agreement as to whether certain aspects of the game are good or bad.
Several things, it may be having the opposite effect, people no life the requirements which means they are consuming the content just as fast if not faster. Secondly, when flying was just bought at level cap I would explore and discover new areas and quests. I actually found the Heart of the Lich King quest chain while flying around mining before a raid back in Wrath. Pathfinder wouldn’t allow for that kind of discovery because it makes you do it all before you can fly therefore there is nothing left to discover. Honestly I feel like this current dev. team doesn’t realize Pathfinder is taking away from the idea of discovery in this game by taking away all there is to discover before letting you fly, discover, and explore at your own leisure.
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Heh, prevent players from getting bored by having repeat a series of rotating daily quests in the same zones, over the same terrain, running by the same wet-noodle trash mobs, and using the same forced META character builds every day for months on end…
Yeah, that must have worked really well. I mean, they still publish those sub numbers, right?
“We’re going to replace flying with content so good, you won’t even miss flying!”
6 months later: “Well, we don’t publish sub numbers anymore because we think there are better metrics for determining success. On a completely unrelated note, why don’t you buy a bunch of these super cool looking cash shop only mounts in our mandatory sub fee game! Of course we’re not trying to make up for the massive loss of subs during this x-pac…”
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How the fark did you manage to get that Ilvl and only be at honor 1? Looking at your achievements in current content, um…
How about you do something worth bragging about before you whine about other people being lazy?
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It seems that they are pushing flying out longer and longer and I would not be surprised if next expansion we are unable to fly for over a year. I Would like to fly right after completing the main story quests in a zone and doing it zone by zone but if it ends up being over a year then ok. What I don’t like about that is how it affects other people. There are far to many people in this game for Blizz to be able to please everyone all the time but they should at least put forth the effort.
In MOP if I recall correctly you just had to get to level 90 and see the flight trainer in the vale.
In WOD it was 5 months before flying came.
In legion it was 7 months before we could fly.
In BFA 10 months…
Next expac? 12-14?
Part of the problem I have with WOW is how they are trying to make us do more and more stuff that people do not enjoy in order to do the things that they do enjoy. You can see that by reading posts on the forums…posts on wowhead, reddit, discord and any number of sites. Most people log on to a game to have fun and a little entertainment not to work.
Some people like everything in the game and could care less while others don’t like certain parts of the game and that’s cool. When things people like doing are constantly locked expansion after expansion behind things people hate doing without a separate avenue to get it then people start getting frustrated.
People are getting frustrated that they feel forced to do things they do not enjoy and in this expansion it is more obvious (to me anyway) than I have ever seen it.
In any MMO the best way to get people to play and do things is to make it so they enjoy it or at the very least make it so they do not feel they are being forced to do it.
For example reps in BFA pretty much tied to world quests. To me that is fine I love questing and doing world quests but there are people who absolutely hate quests so why not have more avenues to get that rep?
There are people who will do things they don’t like in this game in order to do things they do and that is fine but it wears over time and the frustration builds until they might just say no more.
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” John Lydagate
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