Pathfinder? Again? Lession not learned

Sorry to hear about that.

I hope things turn out better for you and others because you all are valuable WoW players to the community.

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Why do they have to make flying so difficult :disappointed_relieved:

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because douche ion doesn’t like flying ?
only thing I can think off.

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That is a fair question and we never really have received a fair and reasonable answer so far. Maybe that changes in the future.

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I’m not a fan of Pathfinder gating. Like for my druid to be a druid.

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Class fantasy should always matter.

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I dont get why people are claiming that draongriding is somehow super oppresive and non-ADA compliant? It’s not that different from regularly flying and frankly it’s better in so many ways because you can go so much dang faster…

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They dont want people flying right away in new xpacs or patches sometimes for the official reason of “we dont want people missing out on all the work that the art teams put in to the areas.”

That is the lamest excuse ever but I guess it’s the only one that got past PR. We know the real reason.

  1. They dont want to enable behavior that makes things “too convenient.”

They want people to have to spend time in the game during certain periods where they need to show metrics for the bean counters. Anyone with any type of corporate understanding can figure that out. does it suck for us? Yah it does. But with the exception of how stupidly long it took for them to put flying in Legion, most of the Pathfinder achievements weren’t difficult if you actuall PLAY the game regulary. And to the OP with no renown on anyone…do you play at …all? My main rejoined the game in July after leaving in SL and I’m already maxed with everyone. The new alt that I jsut made that I geared up in 3 weeks is also now at 15 with eveyrone thanks for the worthy ally mode that gets unlocked for alts. This is def. an alt-friendly expansion. I think that it isn’t frienly to (and rightfully so) are the people who unsub until flying is out and then get mad that they have to play the game to fly.

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The metric that matters most is upfront box sales + subs + shop purchases.

Right now they are iffy on all three fronts. We know DF did not have the upfront box sales which is why they focused more on that and subs. Only thing left is shop purchases holding this up with a 2 by four at this point.

Anyway you slice it even from a business perspective their stance is LAME and very… how do I put it delicately…face palm worthy. If their goal is to make money and meet metrics they missed by a mile with DF.

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I’m actually happy with the game still…i’m just not happy with the player base we have now.
It seems the older days of guilds that stick together and can safely take a break for a season when a raid is cleared (lets say if they only go for AOTC) and everyone comes back when a new patch drops is just dead or more rare than it was.
Most of the guilds I see want people on ALL the time now or they want to do mythic and if you dont want to raid mythic, they have no use for you. Thats why I took such along break during SL.

It doesn’t matter whether you understand “the theory” of why people are disadvantaged by dragonriding and find it unenjoyable, difficult, or impossible. The fact is that it does affect a certain demographic in that way, which includes a fair number of disabled or impaired people.

This reminds me of all the people who respond to “I can’t eat [x], because it makes me sick” with “I don’t understand how that works, so you have to keep eating it.”

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If you’re going to complain that something isn’t working, it isn’t unreasonable to ask you to explain how and why. I’ve seen this post mutliple times with zero explanations. Dragonriding LITERALLY works almost exactly like regular flying… you just can’t hover. How does that actually affect impaired people?

This whole BS of people not having to explain things they complain about is incredibly over the top. If you want change, you have to help people understand why its required…that’s how the world works.

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Actually, no. For you to grill someone about why they won’t eat a food that is making them sick, and telling them they have to eat it if you don’t understand the process is inane.

People who had difficulty with dragonriding had lots of complaints. The topic has been discussed endlessly. A lot of players put the game on hold while waiting for normal flying to come back.

It’s not up to customers to do research for a company that has failed in its attempt to provide a product those customers can use.

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Honestly you are trolling if you haven’t read this thread in its entire length.

I mean people have cited personal health reasons or preferences.

So that is why feedback always matters. TBC flying should not require PF since it is already time gated.

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it’s too fast and gives me motion sickness. there is no way to go the speed of old flying unless you want to just flop back down to the ground. unless they give an optional way to lock the speed so it can’t go faster than old flying, dragonriding will never work for me, no matter how many visual tweaks they give it.

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The reason we got flying so early in expansion, and not locked behind pathfinder this expansion is because dragon flying is a main feature of this expansion. And what you need for this upcoming pathfinder, if you played the expansion since it came out should have most of the requirements…it not even asking for full renown with the factions, just level 15.

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I agree. If people aren’t doing content, it’s because they don’t enjoy it. Stop forcing players to do content they clearly don’t enjoy, just to unlock core features for the game.

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That doesn’t make sense because if players are returning for TBC flying in the upcoming patch they are not going to have the requirements so BlizZard is okay with punishing returning players?

DF is desperate to keep players and not lose them.

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The speed can cause motion sickness. It’s not a matter of being able to do it. It’s how I feel after. And sometimes medication doesn’t help with it. It’s also not like flying. It’s like gliding.

No one needs to make anyone else on the forums understand disabilities and how they come into play in gaming. Blizz has a team that works on accessibility and they hold testing for that. I participate in that. They’ve gotten my feedback.

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Folks, no matter how much you practice, we’re not getting a Necromancer class in WoW.

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