12 Is a little too generous there.
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Wouldâve been too simple and make sense. I despise the concept of punishing innocent others for the misdeeds of a culpable actor.
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So apparently there is an actual buff placed on your toon if youâve suspended your xp. I know iâll be kicking anyone I see with it on in my groups.
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Youâll be trying to. Often theyâre carrying somebody else and that player will not vote to kick.
Otherwise your choice is to suck it up, or leave and enjoy YOUR Deserter debuff.
Easy way around that. Wait until the first boss is down, then vote to kick. If I get booted instead, no biggie since I wonât get deserter. But I think most of the time my kick will go through since most people levelingâŠwant xp.
You canât see it. Only the person who has it on sees it.
Itâs just been put on the PTR, so itâs being worked on. I feel like the intent is to nerf the xp of those in a premade party and not those who match up randomly.
This is why itâs on the ptr and not live yet.
Letâs hope itâs all sorted out soon. I donât see blizzard letting it stand to intentionally punish randoms. Itâs clearly for carry sellers.
I thought they changed that (or are going to)?
I have a 90 warlock for MoP scenario boxes that have unique xmog. I was using my 2nd account to get him out and I only saw the buff on my character but when I was on my DH I did not see the buff
why was this flagged?
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Well if they donât change that so that everyone can see it, then I guess the next simplest way is to monitor your xp. It should be pretty obvious when you see your xp numbers drop to near 0 all of a sudden. The difference is that you wonât know who it is. You could probably suss it out by inspecting everyones gear but if not, then iâll just go back to my previous idea of waiting till the first boss is down and bailing straight after.
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Honestly, that first comment is spot on. Blizzard, for whatever reason, seems to abhor Emergent Gameplay. If players find fun or creative ways us use existing game mechanics Blizzard seems to feel obligated to nerf that fun rather than embracing it as an interesting if unintended feature.
In the Bellular video that brought me to this topic he mentions how they nerfed the interaction of three toys that allowed players to effectively glide across the Broken Isles before flying was unlockable.
This is a level of rules mongering that just leaves a bad taste. They were toys and they were not exactly easy to obtain before flying unlocked. Just let people have fun as a reward, but I guess that would be too generousâŠ
Itâs like playing a table-top RPG and finding an interesting way to solve a problem or approach a situation and rather than being rewarded for it the GM arbitrarily decides you canât do that because it wasnât how they intended for you to play.
Now Iâm starting to realize one of the greater appeals that Classic had, Emergent Gamplay was not only not punished but it was pretty much outright encouraged! We were given a great big world full of toys and unless something was outright broken or unfairly overpowered we got to use interesting game mechanics to our advantage!
At the end of the day this is a game and having fun is what matters most. Stop nerfing fun for the sake of rigid adherence to intended gameplay!
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I canât believe how many people are apparently surprised by this change. If thereâs a method to dramatically break the intended rate of level gain, why wouldnât they fix it? The only surprising thing is that it took so long to do in the first place.
I also think people are heavily conflating this with how bad levelling is in general. I agree too; levelling is pretty awful right now, and itâd be great if it was faster so it could just be over and done with. It shouldnât be a shock, however, that piggybacking off a twinkâs janky interaction with level scaling in instanced content isnât exactly the preferred vehicle for that kind of change.
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No, no, no, my good troll.
They do not identify and eliminate all fun, just fun that is âunauthorized and inappropriate.â
Thatâs why a lot of those new devs they have been hiring, with the money they saved by firing those 800 people while announcing record setting profits, are part of the âThe Right Way to Playâ department, whose mission it is to identify all occurrences of unauthorized and inappropriate fun and eliminate them by developing systems that are ill-conceived, poorly implemented, and open to rampant abuse by griefers.
Surely all can agree that stopping these island and dungeons twinks from helping others level quickly has been a HUGE detrimental impact to the game, given how vital and important that Blizzard considers leveling to be as opposed to end game content.
And so what if people will be able to use this âfixâ to grief countless other people who are playing the game âthe right way.â Clearly, that type of pain is just the price that ALL players will just have to accept and pay to stop these rampant few scallions that are âdoing things wrong.â
Whatâs the worst that could happen? Would people stop playing the game because something they were having fun doing was eliminated? Would people stop playing the game because others decided to abuse the fix and grief people?
Of course not! Nothing could be further from the truth! The people âabusing this exploitâ will immediately see the error of their ways and go on to only play âthe right way.â And those affected by griefers of the new system will just suck it up and say to themselves, âWell, thatâs just the price we now all have to pay to stop the few that were doing things wrong.â
Itâs all just common sense.
/sarcasm
/moo ![:cow:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/cow.png?v=6" ":cow:")
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If your idea of fun is holding an unfair gear advantage so you can ignore skill while making other playersâ game experience worse, then you are the one with the problem.
If you twink, you are admitting that you canât hold your own in a kidsâ game like WoW, which features elves and fairies and talking turtles, and you need a special advantage to succeed.
Youâre the kid who kept trying to cheat at Candyland.
Just watched Bellâs latest vid, thankfully now there will be a buff for all members of the group it looks like that explicitly states when someone has switched off their xp. So youâll instantly know what youâre in for the moment you join and can plan your bail/kick accordingly.
I personally twink for PvE. Not sure how that makes other playersâ game experience worse
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They did not label twinking as an exploit. The Tauren is being obtuse on purpose. He needs to point to the spot on the doll where the twink hurt him.
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Obviously people with xp off will have to be in their own group otherwise it will penalize people.
Right now on the ptr it is not doing that though. Who knows with blizzard these days