The title says it all. Stop including max-level 60’s in low-level Battlegrounds. It is massively unfair and detrimental to new players’ experience of a battleground.
If you are one of those running in a party of 4 max-level players and you are on your low-level alt queuing those BG’s, shame on you. Go back to your 1600 and push harder.
I’m honestly disgusted by this addition to the game. Am I crazy or do we all think this is a bad idea?
They just need to scale them better. Right now, the scaling is totally broken and arbitrary, giving them access to late talents early on (and sometimes also restricting early talents).
Aside from that, synced 60s are less statistically powerful than a twink. Could probably be lowered a bit still though.
The main reason there’s so many 60s syncing down is because 60 PvP itself is a trainwreck with no catch-up mechanic for returning players or fresh 60s, so the only way they can realistically PvP is by syncing.
I agree the mess stems from the 60 bracket at the moment but it also is perpetuating it into the lower brackets. Why have one bushfire when you can have two?
You mentioned twinks which is a perfect point I did not think of. The twinks I feel are a staple of BG’s and the only advantage they bring is a gear advantage. No extra spells, No extra talents. Just what every other player is able to access if they so wish to.
The max level 60s however are bringing a whole bunch of scaling drama with trinkets/covenants and legos. We don’t need the developer’s precious time being held up trying to scale something that never needed to be scaled, it creates more work in a place that is for casuals to level and try some easier-paced PvP. Also haven’t we come full circle now on scaling? I’m pretty sure we all voted scaling OUT of PvP and now it’s somehow back for low-level brackets?
Closing thought on your last point … if the max 60’s can’t handle the beatings they are getting at end game 60 why does it make it fair for them to turn on a level 30 and beat them? that just shows the characters of these max 60’s groups. This behavior is sickening me the more I’m thinking about it.
I posted up on Twitter to the Devs which makes no difference 3 x level 60’s farming the GY in a level 30-39 BG. They were top damage as well. It’s so annoying.
Thank you for posting it, hopefully, some devs see it and look into it further.
Keep spreading the word this needs to change.
trinkets,set bonuses and leggo effects are all turned off while syncd. since you can’t understand the basics of how this works there’s no need to type out pages of blah blah blah. just gear your alts its really easy.
Neither of these are in effect for the lower brackets where people couldn’t access them normally. Some classes get access to a prior Covenant/legendary ability via talent trees now (e.g. Feral getting Adaptive Swarm), which might be what you’ve seen.
If you can’t properly identify where the problem lies, why should anyone pay attention to your thread, let alone Blizzard?
lol calm down there bud, you’re taking it way too seriously.
All that needs to be fixed is for talents to be scaled down appropriately, restricting things that shouldn’t be available and allowing things that should. That’s all. Then synced 60s are totally fine, just weaker twinks. (And like I said, I wouldn’t mind if their stats were toned down a little either.)
Advocating the removal of syncing rather than simply fixing what’s not working correctly is just advocating to make the game worse. If a friend is leveling a character, I’d rather be able to PvP with them still than not.
nah dude, encouraging max level premades into leveling bg’s is a negative feedback system for most players - and premades have substantial advantages if they are on voice together and calling targets etc
change that needs to happen is to make premades wait to face other premades in low level bg’s
and the overall power delta needs to be brought down so everyone is having a good time
the only point of this game is to entertain all players, and nobody expects much gearing from someone just passing through the bracket
maybe they just need to merge all of the low level bg’s into one big bracket with access to all abilities and a lot of power normalization and power capping to keep the delta at like 5-10% overall
so its not gear its teamwork that’s overpowered?
This is by design, the game is designed to cater to the stomp.
Boom Headshot!
define casual? a person doing the bare minimum to keep their gear current is “most players”? i can see why partysync is such a huge problem. imagine not being able to compete with boas.its terrible how this game is treating you.
honestly I think its more the fact that they are ina 5man group that is the big challenge for random lvlers. A 5 man group of ilvl 24 ( at 19) players against random ppl would def be annoying to fight.
Ideologies like yours are exactly what will kill PvP in WoW for good. The fact that you can’t see that you’re the bad guy here brings your naming to all new levels of realism.
It’s not acceptable that 60’s come into low-level bgs and are top dogs in that bg, it’s meant to balance out ok.
Thank you for clearing up the fact there are no covenant/legos/coming into it.
So if the gear is scaled then why do they still run rampant on someone in blues/leveling gear? New players need time to get into PvP and not get zeroed in a global.
Battlegrounds are the first intro to PVP and they get arena-seasoned vets pulverizing them. They can go level in the dungeon which is more optimal for ALTs to get to max level and play with their friends in ALL content.
you’re so angry blaming level 60’s lol. a level 43 can sync into 20-29 and have the same template as a big bad level 60. the same template that matches the ilevel of BoAs at level 29. no gems. no enchants. no fun really.
imagine having a problem with players in average gear. yikes.
lol who is angry? It’s ok to give an opinion on a forum. There is no anger. If I had my way party sync would not be a thing in bgs period. Is that anger? Or an opinion?
every reference to partysync in this thread has been aimed at level 60 players when everyone can use the feature. if syncd players are too strong than so is everyone at level x9 in upgraded boas.
lets ban everyone level x9 from leveling bgs.
see how stupid that sounds?
want to know what doesn’t sound stupid?
a minimum ilevel requirement for bg’s.
Why so angry? Oh, it’s an opinion, right? Ok. We managed fine without level '60s in low-level bgs since June 7th, 2005 when they were introduced. Were you playing back then?
Do you see how sensible that was?
There was no need for it then, and there is no need for it now.