It’s why I started with dungeon stuff. Then I kind of decided why not just write out some highlights and give my experiences from comparing a Prot Paladin where I cleared ZG/MC/BWL to my clearing of all the content as a Fury/Prot Warrior. I think adding things I had to figure out can help someone else if they wanted to take it further.
Then the troll decided to try to say I am wrong despite arguing that he’s tanked dungeons on a shaman before. There is literally a guy on MMO-Champion who has guides for tanking on nearly every class in classic. There was a guy back in original vanilla all the way to wrath on a shaman who tanked regularly for his guild.
I don’t think you can say it’s irrelevant to 99% of HC players as you can’t speak to that. HC is agreeably more about the challenge of hitting 60, but making it through all the content is something that’ll also interest some people. A guild cleared MC within the first week. Clearly there is a spot for those who want to really challenge themselves.
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Nobody wants Paladin tanks.
No taunts
Mana issues
Face the facts.
This for sure. In my experience a pure holy pally is a very good tank for dungeons, ez mode in fact, until ulda/Mara levels. Also, the expectations in HC dungeons are calibrated a bit differently and players by and large are fine taking more time than usual to complete a dungeon, meaning waiting for a pally tank to top off mana every handful of pulls. It’s not like anyone is spamming any dungeon pre-60.
As superior as warriors are in the tank role from BWL on, this doesn’t necessarily trickle down to pre-60 content.
Taunt is irrelevant if you can hold aggro without much thought. A good spell power build in a dungeon is more than enough to hold threat while the DPS goes full force. Taunt has really no value above MC as most bosses are taunt immune. Not to mention, GBoK spam gives ridiculous amounts of threat. The TPS of a paladin is not comparable.
Mana issues aren’t really a thing either depending on the pace. While a warrior can “go” without stopping, they often get over confident and ignore their DPS/healer mana. Not to mention, a mage’s water will fill a prot paladins full mana very quickly. So any downtime required by the tank is far less than any by the healers/dps. While not zero like a warrior, when you have enough gear, you can go for 3-4 pulls before needing any downtime. If the healer needs some, then you can easily top yourself off.
Even in raids, there are several ways to mitigate mana issues. Potions, elixirs, innervate, dark/demonic runes, etc.
Ok so
Number 1. Paladins are a meme tank in classic for trivial content.
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This is for hardcore, which is mostly leveling so they don’t have spellpower or greater blessings.
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It’s a meme build
Also taunt is incredibly important.
Clearly somebody didn’t actually play classic
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I tanked DM on my HC paladin yesterday. No deaths and no problems.
There is plenty of items you can grab with some spell power as you level up. You’re not going to be pushing 200+ spell power, but you’ll get some.
I tanked all of MC/BWL/ZG as I stated in my post above. Then I swapped to focusing on my Horde Warrior full time because my friends were all Horde and my Alliance guild was falling apart and it’s incredibly hard to find a new guild as a tank regardless of class.
I was actually given a shot to tank for the best Alliance guild on Kirtonos, but the RL said they just didn’t have a spot for another tank. With them, I never once lost threat to their very geared DPS or warrior tanks either. They had me tank all of Garr’s adds which I did easily. During Harbringer, they had me tank all the adds again. The MT decided he was going to try to be funny and run the boss down the hill as he had done in the past (towards Gheddon’s area) but I was generating so much threat through King’s spam that I pulled threat off him and the boss stayed on me despite his best attempts to take it off me.
If you don’t believe I played classic:
MC:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kirtonos/hearthman?zone=1006#zone=1000&spec=Protection&class=Paladin&partition=2
BWL:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kirtonos/hearthman?zone=1006#zone=1002&partition=2&spec=Protection&class=Paladin
ZG:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kirtonos/hearthman?zone=1003#partition=2&spec=Protection&class=Paladin
Onyxia:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kirtonos/hearthman?zone=1001#partition=2
It’s completely fine to tank content as a paladin. I also speed cleared all of Classic on my Horde Warrior:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kurinnaxx/steerclear?zone=1006#
Prior to Kurinnaxx I was on Thalnos:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thalnos/steerclear?zone=1006#zone=1002&partition=2
My guild was the 23rd guild in the world to do a full no-buff speed clear of AQ40.
So please continue to tell me that you know better than me when I actually did the content.
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Hearthman brings the receipts.
Got you dk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
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Paladin Tank does not have a taunt. That right there makes it a much weaker tank than the others. In order to tank with a Paladin on HC/Classic, your group has to be VERY careful and play around you, because if they pull threat, there isnt an immediate way to snap the mob back, and thus puts people in danger. This also for all intents and purposes takes Paladin out of the equation for raid tanking, because you cannot Taunt Swap.
If someone wants to play a Paladin Tank in HC thats all well and good. But truthfully it is just making it more dangerous to run a dungeon with them just for the simple lack of a taunt factor. And as long as the other players in the group are ok with the risks, then go for it. But I would anticipate at max level, people not wanting to run with a Paladin tank.
I will try to discourage it, because the person will end up at max level, spec’d in prot, and having trouble finding groups. I am just laying out the facts of the matter. And in HC the goal is to minimize the risk in situations. Running with a Paladin Tank adds risk. And at max level, if it comes to running UBRS with a Warrior and Paladin tank, or not running it until you find a second warrior. Most groups will just wait for the second warrior.
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I still know better than you.
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Why brag about no wbuffs? That’s just saying you guys were too casual to buff seriously.
Could have stopped right there.
You didn’t read the OP nor their additional contributions/questions in the thread.
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Yep. Thank you. Now you can go back to eating cut up boiled hot dogs for lunch.
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You still know better than me despite not linking a single form of proof. Yeah okay troll.
Bragging about no wbuffs means we did it without and speed cleared it in under 36 minutes. I think the official time was 35:04. That included Viscidus. You have clearly no idea what you are talking about and how different having world buffs is versus not. We were VERY serious about world buffs. You’re just talking out of your backside and it’s exhausting.
Just stop. You’re making yourself less credible by the post.
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Please don’t pretend viscidus is hard, especially in a horde guild. 1 shaman can cleanse 3 groups with raid assist while chain healing.
AQ speedclears are 60% buying a good trash ID so don’t brag about that garbage here chief.
Never once paid for a trash ID. That’s silly AF. We showed up and knocked it out, as we always did.
I never said any of it is hard. You’re the one acting like it’s hard because you don’t know what you are talking about. All I said is that there is a huge difference in having Wbuffs and not. Which is factual.
Someone needs to take the shovel away from you my dude. Bedrock ain’t far from where you’re at.
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Every guild bought optimal cthun trash IDs for speed clears.
No wbuff speedclear means vastly less than wbuffed. Far less competition on the No wbuff scoreboard.
We did not. The guild was TheWreckingCrew. I think it was TWC on Thalnos since there was some sort of issue that “king” was in it, but fixed later or so I heard.
We no wbuff speed cleared as I said. We only speed cleared. You can literally see our kill times with several kills under a minute. I don’t know what your disconnect here is or why you’re derailing the topic as far as you have. Just accept that you are wrong and don’t know what you are talking about. It’s okay. I forgive you.
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You accuse me of derailing when you did it? Lol
You are sitting here trying to call into question my credibility despite not providing any yourself. Then when I provide credentials you move the goalposts by suggesting my guild wasn’t “hardcore enough” or strawman the idea that it’s not hard to do classic raids when that was never my claim. Your arguments are all over the place and trying to grasp at straws to prove yourself correct.
Explain to me where I derailed it? Every single post before yours was on topic. I explained to the OP how to effectively tank and raid tank. Why it’s possible, what makes it possible, and the things you should expect to encounter as you go through the learning curves.
So anyway, I am not going to respond to anything else unless you want me to help you learn to be a better prot paladin.
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I don’t need advice from somebody who thinks prot Paladin is viable
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