Paladin HoJ trinket Exploit

[Gàldin-yojamba]

So a better player beat you

You got reck bombed and you’re salty about it

Im not salty a paladin 2 shot me, im concerned about the potential power of said paladin in R14 or Naxx gear being able to not only wipe a 5 player party on their own, but maybe 20 players or the fact that said paladin is able to farm solo honor towards the R14 grind in amounts far greater than any other class or group setup. Also concerned about the potential gold influx from said paladin being overly powered to solo high content such as LBRS/UBRS.

[Rombell-yojamba]

I’m not going to tell you how to beat it, just don’t be bad and learn to play.

Reckoning is easy to beat.

After Wpvp is done, I won’t be reck because it won’t be used often.

[Hothwompa-kromcrush]

Alliance doing good at something, I don’t see a problem here. But if it is a legit issue blizz will fix it I’m sure.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

Reckoning is easy to beat.

Disarm ftw - i was dead first and the next warrior died almost instantly so no disarm. He knew that we knew.

[Milanfrozen-stalagg]

So warrior won’t be top dog? Oh no, your position as top class will be threatened! Whatever will all the warriors do? It just adds one hit with HoJ and I highly doubt that would throw things into imbalance especially considering how much people meme on Ret dps.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

@Milanfrozen-stalagg

So warrior won’t be top dog?

Not with paladins using an exploit, no. Using sword spec and the same exploit - YES

@Milanfrozen-stalagg

It just adds one hit with HoJ and I highly doubt that would throw things into imbalance especially considering how much people meme on Ret dps

Understand the working of how it procs

@Gàldin-yojamba

Look at your math again.
2% from hoj
5% from sword spec
x 3 instant attacks
6%
15%
in the same global cooldown to get another extra attack.
lets say hoj procs in the same global
8%
20%
Sword spec because 1 in 5 is high (how often do you crit with your %?) also in the same global
10%
25%

You math is true until you get a chain proc, then it increases because there are more attacks that multiply the chance

@Gàldin-yojamba

What would be considered infinite in the context of wow. 100% hp to 0% hp - that is as infinite as it gets.

3, 4, 7, 11, 20 procs chain procs? Your target with the exception of a dung boss or raid content died at 10 instant attacks.

Replace sword spec procs with rek stacks.

[Rezurex-darkspear]

LoL 10 characters

[Rombell-yojamba]

Alright that’s possible to work on some reck pallys, there are other ways.

Best part is warriors can also 1shot multiple groups of melee.

Lots of gimmicks in this version of wow.

[Zinqf-herod]

Aswell as abusing a macro/bug/spell batching made this paladin better than 4 equally geared players.

1 paladin v 5 horde. He killed 4 of us and then bubbled. Understand yet?

All of you should delete your characters. Also that paladin should archive your QQ for their PvP video.

[Harmondale-whitemane]

It is an exploit.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

Also that paladin should archive your QQ for their PvP video.

I didnt QQ towards him for doing it. I might star in future vids from him.

I simply trying to communicate the potential unchecked power of these mechanics to get them balanced. This is not how they behaved in Vanilla

[Zinqf-herod]

It is an exploit.

Reckbomb is not an exploit. If it wasn’t for people using it on raid bosses, you’d have people stacking it higher than 5 hits.

If extra attacks are really processing multiple procs through HoJ, it’s not paladins that are broken. It’s HoJ, Rogue Sword Spec, Warrior Sword Spec, Ironfoe, Thrash Blade, Shaman Windfury…Time to get them all patched by removing spell batching. This would be the part where I link the picture of the dog inside the burning house saying “this is fine”.

[Pwnerminator-kromcrush]

Dont cry, Git gud horde. Its that simple.

[Zinqf-herod]

This is not how they behaved in Vanilla

Hunters cried this from the rooftops early on but where were you? Probably where all the people saying GIT GUD were. Pathetic.

[Harmondale-whitemane]

Step 1. Go to bug report forums.

Step 2. Read how not a bug is sit proc reckoning not working.

Step 3. See people abusing spell batching to sit proc reckoning anyway.

Step 4. Re-evaluate your position.

[Zinqf-herod]

Step 1. Go to bug report forums.

Step 2. Read how hunters have complained about these exact spell batching and leeway related bugs broke core parts of their class.

Step 3. See people ignoring hunters completely until the same problem arrives in the form of overpowered melee things.

Step 4. Try to not cherry pick bugs to be angry about next time.

[Rombell-yojamba]

What if you get stacks not doing this “bug”

Then go gib someone?

Not hard to do, remove one way and people will just do it another.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

@Zinqf-herod

Hunters cried this from the rooftops early on but where were you?

In regards to FD/Trap? I was right here

@Gàldin-yojamba

And how is that relevant to feign death? Oh right, it’s not. Maybe you shouldn’t comment on things you know nothing about.

Because it appears everyone is saying FD/Trap should be instant. The only way it was ever instant was using the PetPassiveMode() script. Show me a clip from after this patch in 2006 where a trap is placed in the same keypress.

Here is a clip of how its supposed to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BQ_JIcJV4

Notice how he manually stops pet from attacking, clicks FD, and clicks trap, in 3 keypresses. Never was it an instant cast.

Here is a clip of an instant trap exploiting petpassive, and that is the only reason fd/trap was ever instant cast pre bug fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQd7Ycydy4

This thread should be titled - BUG - Feign Death not dropping combat quick enough. Because thats the only issue with FD atm, not dropping combat in the way vanish is combat bugged.

@Gàldin-yojamba

Why are people still asking for FD/Trap to be instant in the same keypress. I just brought some extra info as to why it shouldnt be.

And the combat/not combat bug is bigger than just FD. Having someone ride past you with mobs chasing them, while you are attacking something, will train all of those mobs on you.

[Harmondale-whitemane]

Doesn’t help your argument. Saying that hunters are also bugged doesn’t support your assertion that this isn’t a bug.

[Zinqf-herod]

Doesn’t help your argument. Saying that hunters are also bugged doesn’t support your assertion that this isn’t a bug

There’s video evidence of people reck bombing people with 4-5 swings in 1.12 and even pretbc.

If it was a bug, then it was a bug throughout the entirety of Vanilla.