Paladin Dual Twisting: Leave It In!

in tbc it was not intended. in tbc classic is is intended as stated by blues.

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Last time I checked this is Blizzard’s game, they make the rules, if they say it is ok and want it left in, that kind of ends the discussion.

You can not like it and call it an exploit all you want, but if Blizzard is not calling foul, that seals the deal!

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I read your thread, and it was the same argument that you have made in this one that didn’t go down very well.

It’s not about being a popularity contest. Blizzard asked for feedback and the majority of the support has been for 2-way. I’m not sure why they would ask for feedback if not to have the possibility of using it to make changes based on it.

You haven’t really provided any concrete details on what it would make it notable. The meta won’t change, we don’t have any sample data to prove that it would be notable, and Blizzard isn’t done making changes - including but not limited to the recent spellpower on gear replacing strength data mining, so any additional assumptions you are making about ‘notable’ are not valid (yet).

The request is - and has been - to smooth out the rotation of what will be required after what blizzard has said is a mechanic they are leaving in on purpose; not to “buff us lulz”

I’m still waiting on the official Blizzard meta by the way, did you ever get a hold of it?

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Then by that logic, you don’t get to give feedback about the way they implemented it.

except when they specifically asked for it. flagged for trolling

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and my feedback is that it’s an exploit, against the core design of the class… and should be removed entirely… and yet here you are crying your eyes out… Get over it.

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your fedback is incorrect because they stated they wanted it in the game. you can argue that you want it removed, but its not an exploit.

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You’re in the wrong thread dude. Blizzard literally asked for feedback on this specific mechanic after saying they were leaving it in on purpose. I realize it’s a long thread but you should probably have read at least the OP before commenting.

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I am going to have to say I concur. Blizzard has made it pretty clear, this is not an exploit and has even gone out of their way to specifically change the game to make this possible.

Let me say that again, “They literally made a special change to add this functionality into the game.”

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and my feedback is the mechanic is terrible in general, and goes against the design intentions of the class/spec to begin with…

And if you lot where actually honest with yourselves, none of you would give a single thought in the world for it, if it wasn’t such a dramatic damage boost to a lower performing spec… If you want to fix ret dps, this isnt the way to do so.

thats more valid feedback. still, this is the wrong thread.

and its infinitely better solution than just buffing ret x%, which would still leave us as a smoothbrain apm auto swing spec. seal twisting gives a more complete rotation.

blizz ultimately fixed rets rotation in wotlk by adding divine storm and making exorcism work on every enemy type

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Again, please read the thread to understand better what people are asking for. Nobody is clamoring for “fixing ret DPS.” We’re asking for a now required mechanic (twisting) to not have an incredibly clunky rotation behind it.

The non-clunky rotation (2-way) existed in a PTR build, it’s not like the community created this as an idea. If you’re interested in understanding more please review the thread.

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they literally think they fixed the LWer/Drum problem too… They are wrong in both cases

Two completely different and independent topics. They said they wanted to “CHANGE” drums, it was always their intention to not have drums work the same as they did in original.

This pally thing was Blizzard going, “this does not work the way it did in original, let’s make sure it does”

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Yeah… your intention is obvious… you only give a damn because it’s a MASSIVE damage boost… If it was only 2% of your damage, you wouldn’t care at all about your precious rotation.

bro. youre talking about RET PALLY. a MASSIVER DAMAGE BOOST for ret is like…nothing.

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You’re incorrect. I’ve been testing the rotation extensively on the beta for the last 2 weeks and have even crafted a Lionheart Champion with the most well known seal twisting paladin who has also done extensive testing.

I give a damn because I’m someone who enjoys rotations and optimizing my output. 2-way twisting is theoretically between a 3 and 5% DPS increase over 1 way. This is hardly game breaking.

One-way twisting is guaranteed in. You’ll have to accept that. We’re talking about 2-way here.

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amazing. 25% of no dps, dead last on rankings, apparently buffs ret pally to near #1 spot

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25% of 0 is 0

I just noticed your post count, it’s pretty clear that we’re being trolled. You’ve ignored what Blizzard has stated as their goal and are rallying against a different problem. Start your own thread and complain about 1-way twisting existing. This is a different topic entirely.

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