Overwolf Client and Addon Management - PLEASE Don't Support This!

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Orctang-area-52

it takes quite a while if you have lots of addons.

Well… yeah. That goes without saying.

@Orctang-area-52

Some people like to waste time for no reason though that is cool.

Some people like to rely on their mod managers so much to a point where they will actually quit if they can’t download them though a single button click.

As for “Some people like to waste time for no reason”, this is ignoring the reality of the situation that is going on with Overwolf blocking APIs for mod manager to get people to download their overlay, their overlay being ad filled. Something that people really dislike.

@Orctang-area-52

Please give me your number of addons and the time.

To give you a rough estimate, it’s 45.

As for time, that really depends on what you ask me here, because some of my addons are outdated and not being maintained anymore but still works nicely. Some of the addons still work atfer a patch or so, so that gets shunted to a lower priority list for later. As for the addons i need to update to fix them (if the addon doesn’t work at all or causing major slowdown or their UI is glitchy), that only takes like minutes to download, copy and paste and extract.

This is forgetting the fact that i do have games like The Sims 3, Skyrim, GTA SA and so on that has way more mods then 45, some in the 300’s, most of them manually installed.

If i really want to, i can go and get 100’s of addons for my WoW. The only reason i don’t want to isn’t out of the process of downloading and installing them, but the results of it when i get into the game. Espeically since i have Weak Auras that can potentially make some of the addons i already have redundant.

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Overwolf blocking APIs for mod manager

They aren’t doing that… at least not yet.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

to get people to download their overlay, their overlay being ad filled

The overlay can be turned off or the app can simply be closed after installing or updating addons.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

As for “Some people like to waste time for no reason”, this is ignoring the reality of the situation that is going on with Overwolf blocking APIs for mod manager to get people to download their overlay, their overlay being ad filled. Something that people really dislike.

I am a programmer so I can quicky write something or modify some existing code to update mine.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

To give you a rough estimate, it’s 45.

I know for a fact it would take way over 45 seconds to update all mine manually.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

This is forgetting the fact that i do have games like The Sims 3, Skyrim, GTA SA and so on that has way more mods then 45, some in the 300’s, most of them manually installed.

It’s cool I mean I don’t care how long people spend manually installing their addons. I won’t waste my time doing it manually.

[Aerenas-deviate-delight]

@Daddy-proudmoore

Blizzard should incorporate an addon manager into their battle.bet client

This. /123

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

If they did this they would find a way to own the addons.

[Hedley-arygos]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Shadowlands are finally implementing much requested customizations for people as well adding things using artifacts on any spec. That’s gonna be a hard sell for me to say they don’t worry about PR, especially when we take a look at the last 10 years or so, with diablo 3’s awful launch and it’s auction house, being removed later on, Overwatch’s Lootboxes and their defense for it, Legion making demon hunters a playable class, Diablo Immortal’s terrible’s announcement and so on. Heck, some of the little suggestions here and there from the forums made it to the game, like a little mail icon on the login screen. (Though it’s missing right now in Live) As well buying Essence ranks and other neat stuff over the coarse of BFA and so on.

fine: pr isnt something theyre THAT worried about, if they were ripcord would have been pulled and they would distance themselves from roux

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Again, how much is that financial hit exactly? They have a profit margin of 7 billion dollars. How much is that financial hit?

again it doesnt matter how much money they make, theres no good reason for them to do something thats a net loss

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Okay, but again, the Wow tokens are $20. 5 dollars more then just paying for a sub. In order for those tokens to exist so you can keep playing for free, somebody has to buy them and sell them for gold, which is their incentive to get tokens in the first place. This isn’t even getting into account that somebody might be subbed and buying 1 token, so from that person alone, that’s $35. Infact, that’s the more likely scenario.

again thats assuming those people are the ones quitting and for the 3rd time: they need X amount of people threatening to quit and actually paying for subs and not buying tokens for gold for an official site/manager to be financially feasible. i just dont see that happening

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Well i didn’t say “Blizzard should have their own official addons” I.E create them themselves. I say “Blizzard should have their own official addon repository where people can host their addons.”.

and if they do this people are going to view them as official addons but fine: yes its easier to NOT have official addons/managers/respository then it is to have them

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Okay, correct me if i’m wrong here but i think what your trying to get across here with me is Blizzard will worse then Overwolf who they are competing with, which considering they are the game devs, they will ultimately have the final word and say on where addons can be hosted and can gladly charge any fees or show ads on their own site, even if we pay the sub fee. And hence why you think the gamers don’t win here?

no i said you are acting like overwolf and blizz will be competing when they wont for the simple fact that even if blizz does this, they wont offer financial incentives to be on their site like curse is they will just maintain the site in general. also blizz will never have ads on their respository site, theres already enough of an uproar over this what do you think will happen on the official site?

there is simply no good reason for blizz to do this unless a serious chunk of the player base quits and thats just not going to happen. honestly even if they did blizz prolly still wouldnt do this.

[anon86030148]

@Dreadsurge-sargeras

Which is an extremely tedious option

Is it though?

Takes like 15 seconds to extract the downloaded addon into the correct folder.

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

And how long does it take when you have 75+ to go through and find which ones need updates?

[anon86030148]

75 seems excessive…

I use at most 3 and none of them tell me or help me play the game. So for me it’s a very small amount of time. I dunno if using people that have extreme addon addictions is where we wanna start the process.

I actually cannot imagine how anyone would need that many addons given how the game works.

I’m sporting details for obvious reasons and I cannot understand how Blizzard just hasn’t built their own meters in game yet.

Then an outdated epic music player that I’ve dumped 500+ songs in that take over the ambient sound of wow and play my mp3 list instead.

Lastly I have clique so I can make simple mouseover macros that if I wanted to I could simply write out and do without the addon. I only have it so I can use my middle mouse with a mouse over that doesn’t require me to fiddle with it in my logitech settings to get around the limitation.

[Hedley-arygos]

ikr? i have like 25 and im at the point where id switch to elvui if it hit the fan

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Cäynä-hyjal

They aren’t doing that… at least not yet.

I thought the threads (including this) say they are doing that. Or did i confused it with something else?

@Cäynä-hyjal

The overlay can be turned off od the app can simply be closed after installing or updating addons.

That’s great and all. I still wouldn’t touch the program personally due to rumors of malware and such.

@Orctang-area-52

I am a programmer so I can quicky write something or modify some existing code to update mine.

Good for you.

For the rest of the people, they don’t need programmer skills (or really any skill, why people think this is a skill at all is honestly baffling to me. We live in a world where computers are ubiquitous. ) to check the dates/version of your files and see if the one of the site is higher, hit download, right click drag, copy, go to wow interface >addon folder, hit paste, select all the addon zip files and hit extract.

@Orctang-area-52

I know for a fact it would take way over 45 seconds to update all mine manually.

I’l quote this comment here again since you seem to be thinking that 1 addon means 1 second.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Yea, Brewa’s comment is exaggerated, but the overall point is sound enough, it doesn’t take long at all.

I have explicitly said and i’l say it again, that while Brewa’s comment is exaggerated and it doesn’t take seconds (unless you do it like super fast), he was on point by saying that manually downloading and updating addons doesn’t take long at all. Infact dare i say it, it takes 20 minutes at max even, that is accounting if your doing it pretty slowly. Something that is still pretty short.

If your still gonna ignore this comment i have pointed out 2 times by now and can’t figure out that Brewa was just exaggerating there when he said seconds, i don’t know what to say to you man.

@Orctang-area-52

I won’t waste my time doing it manually.

Fair Enough, you do you.

@Hedley-arygos

fine: pr isnt something theyre THAT worried about,

Fair enough.

@Hedley-arygos

theres no good reason for them to do something thats a net loss

Again, what net loss? I apologize if i sound like i’m asking you the same question, but i’m really curious. You keep on saying “oh they will take a hit from this” but rarely elaborating on that hit by giving numbers. It’s not really meaningful if you don’t tell me what’s the net loss means here in terms of numbers.

Let’s say for example, i wanted to start making my own addon site, with a mod manager. And i call it “Bari’s Yellow Submarine”, and i call my Mod manager “Walrus”. (Just go with it) How much money i need to pay to get my own site up and going, how much do i need to pay every month to get people to take maintain it?

@Hedley-arygos

and if they do this people are going to view them as official addons

Well those people would be wrong in viewing them as that.

Going back to my example, i don’t see Curseforge being responsible for Macro Toolkit, the authors behind that addon are. And i would just be silly if i write tickets in that website, to the company instead of posting directly in the author’s comments.

@Hedley-arygos

no

Oh.

@Hedley-arygos

i said you are acting like overwolf and blizz will be competing when they wont for the simple fact that even if blizz does this, they wont offer financial incentives to be on their site like curse is they will just maintain the site in general.

Well more or less it’s to get Overwolf to stop their ad silliness.

I would talk about the finanical incentives and how blizzard can afford to pay addon authors, but-

@Hedley-arygos

it doesnt matter how much money they make

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

@anon86030148

75 seems excessive…

I know people who have over 100. I usually have between 50 and 75.

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

I tried elvui and hated it. I prefer my own custom collection of addons.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

I’l quote this comment here again since you seem to be thinking that 1 addon means 1 second.

Nope, you making up thoughts for me now? I know for sure it takes time to browse to the website for each addon and download it and extract it.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Fair Enough, you do you.

I will I don’t want to waste my life installing addons manually.

[Hedley-arygos]

i hate it too, it looks like people with too many chromosomes and crayons designed it but its either that or base lol

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

I thought the threads (including this) say they are doing that. Or did i confused it with something else?

From the creator of WowUp.

One takeaway from the meeting was that nothing is changing yet. So, for now it’s business as usual continuing to provide a client that does what you need. We’ve gotten a lot of suggestions and requests over the last few days that we’re in the process of organizing so we can get those out to the 2.0 alpha as soon as possible.

[Zerakor-wyrmrest-accord]

Only thing I’m supporting is going back to manually install them. It’s just as simple as using twitch. Problem solved.

[Kyveli-aerie-peak (Kyveli)]

Bold of you to assume they’ll still allow you to manually install them.

[Cäynä-hyjal (Cäynä)]

Or create your own… I had fun doing mine.

[Profìen-thrall]

Thats why you use WowUp