Rated c class tier , many bugs causing dps loss, pure dps melee class with no buff hero or rez . Sins probably next they do ok damage right now. Sub as well. Can’t believe that the pure melee dps spec damage was too high. I got beat by mages, enhance shaman warlocks in raid warriors and monks the list goes on. Enhance got buffs as well monk as well .Our damage should not be based off tier sets ffs.
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That they are making any changes, be it nerf or buff, to a spec that isn’t functioning at 100% is a god damn clown move on their part. Also, they have yet to even mention that they acknowledge the BtE bug.
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Stop listening to YouTubers who seriously are throwing dust in the wind and couldn’t be trusted to predict tomorrows weather. Outlaw is clearly the 2nd highest DPS spec according to logs ATM.
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Probably where a rogue should be as it brings NOTHING else besides damage. Can’t stun a boss. Can’t provide lust for the group. I can’t heal ya in a bind. I can’t bring you back from the dead. On your whammy you can heal dps and lust. Seems fair that I’m the best at what I offer. And I’m not doing the best damage either I’m an average player . Below average smooth brained player
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How much of a nerf is it really? That’s a pretty good buff they gave to that tier set.
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Pretty sure it just evens out to them shifting damage to the tier set from the basic kit.
As it was, our tier set was basically useless. ~2-3% gain at the high end. Now it’ll be somewhat worth getting I guess.
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And yet they #2 on raid dps.
The heads is why fury isn’t being nerfed more
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Outlaw is a massively more complex spec doing worse than Fury and somehow it got nerfed more than fury did /rip
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They’re not though, are they? They’re upper mid.
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Yeah true, also one of the least played specs considering its performance.
It’s almost like having a spec that offers nothing and feels like trash to play needs those numbers to compensate
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I’ll bet it’s an overall nerf. 35% is still abysmal and the Between the Eyes buff is kind of odd–considering Crackshot builds will probably get mixed results with it.
All in all, the patch doesn’t address any of the actual issues Outlaw has. You’ll still see more Assassin Rogues on average than Outlaw.
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the fact that fury and frost have been relatively untouched since beta into pre patch is egregious.
especially frosty, it is a very oppressive spec to fight against.
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Moving the damage to tier set is a not good because if they continue down this path it starts to impact build diversity.
I understand why they want to make tier set desirable but at some point you have to accept that not all tier sets need to provide a big chunk of DPS.
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I think people are missing that there are big changes right around the corner to subterfuge which will double the outlaw burst window.
I’m not sure how they can make any changes to rogue at all, given how small the sample size must be…
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We know about it and that is why we need to see more build diversity.
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Let’s be real though, build diversity is not a real thing. The talent trees are an illusion of choice. Everyone is going to play the configuration that does the most damage.
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Could people just post on their rogues so we know they have any credibility?
In my opinion, Outlaw has way too many bugs and outright clunkiness in its kit to get a nerf in Heroic week. Mythic raid will come out and they’ll be bottom tier because the additional mechanics will force a different damage profile. This is what always seems to happen - Outlaw comes out swinging, gets nuked, then has to wait for quality of life to return.
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Ele sham has 3 or so viable builds just in stormbringer, not even including totemic.
Frost and Unholy have a number of viable options within 10-15% of each other.
Fire mage has 3 clear builds that all function well. Same with Arcane and frost.
Then we have one talent we can move, which just dictates if we want to hit 5 or 8 targets. Everything else is forced pathing.
There’s build diversity in a ton of other classes. Rogues are waaaaay more stuck than any other class. I’ve played most of the other classes with meme builds and done numbers/parsed well. Rogue doesn’t have those options.
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Not if they don’t like the gameplay. Those people who play specifically for the most damage at all costs usually haunt their class discords.
It is a very real thing. Few people Mythic Raid or go beyond Keystone Master in the grand scheme of things. That (usually) interprets into more variety in builds since the damage demand is a lot less.
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