Hey fellow stealthies,
does anyone have a stance macro for outlaw that will make it so my bte will only go off during stealth windows? i know i want to use bte outside of windows as well. i would have both on my bar. but i seem to constantly over global my bte in stealth windows and put it on cd when i dont want it to be. any help in this would be appreciated!
Nothing you can do. Bug / lag/ bad class design, whichever.
Best you can do is use a WA to to help make sure it never happens, but it still will regardless.
I swapped dispatch and between the eyes on my stealth bar which achieves the same, but you can also do something like:
#showtooltip
/use [bonusbar:1]Between the eyes; Dispatch
Just a heads up that while this works, it doesn’t fix the issue of pressing it at the end of the duration where the spell queue and expiration overlap. I’ve lowered the spell queue to 180ms to reduce the issue, but without spell queue it also makes it a lot more annoying to play.
It is not a good idea to use macros or stance bars like this. WoW has a mechanic (“mechanic” more likely a technical limitation thats been around forever) where when you swap to a new stance, there is a delay between you activating the stance, and your bar/stance macros swapping to the new stance.
What this means is that at the start and end of a stance like stealth or dance, these macros will lag behind you actually leaving the window which can easily lead to you casting a BtE from your stealth bar/macro while not actually in stealth and putting it on cd.
This also happens at the start of the window, meaning you will often cast dispatch as your first finisher in stealth lowering the number of BtEs you can cast in the window as well.
There is no way to avoid this technical limitation. I would highly highly recommend not trying to use such a macro (or using different binds inside/outside stealth for bte/dispatch).
This happens anyway without a macro.
yes. My point was, if you make the assumption that this macro will save you from doing that, it wont, and so you will often put BtE onto cd coming out of stealth due to not tracking subterfuge/manually attempting to avoid doing this.
You need to track subterfuge and stop casting it yourself, you cannot trust macros/bar swaps to do it for you.
I disagree. In the current scenario when swapping BtE and Dispatch I’ve had less issues because it removes the element of human error. I no longer press BtE by accident because I personally made a mistake. The bar/stance swapping is also not the issue, it’s spell queue. I haven’t noticed any forms of the lag you meant in this patch, only in 10.1.
This is bad advice. The macro solution, or simply swapping the buttons on your stealth bar reduces the amount of issues and increases your DPS.
This is simply not the case. I’m glad it works for you, we’ve tested it extensively in the rogue discord and stance delay is absolutely still a thing and its terrible advice to recommend new players learn to rely on the bars/macros to optimize this window for them as it can quite often fail.
Its funny… I just answered a question in rogue discord a few minutes ago about someone confused how they kept putting BtE on cd despite only binding it to their stealth bar and not their out of stealth bar. If stance delay wasn’t a thing, this would not be possible.
To be clear, is putting BTE on your stealth bar alone a bad idea or just the macro?
Both. Stance delay applies to the actual bar swap that happens when you change stances, and macros (since macros track the stance). The delay is equal for both.
I wouldn’t say it’s bad (personally).
Whether it’s on your bar or not, you’ll still need to track shadowdance/vanish and trying to squeeze in an extra BtE is risky either way.
As long as you have the WA that alerts you when it’s running out, you shouldn’t trigger a cooldown. When I do, it’s usually my own fault for not concentrating.
If this could be the cause for BtE sometimes going on CD when used directly from stealth however, then I’d use BtE from a regular bar in this case. Even if you use it on a stealthbar, you should still have it on a regular bar as well anyway.
Spell queue is the No.1 cause, especially when it’s the default 400ms. This issue is also present when you don’t use a macro or swap the buttons around. I would advice to reduce your spell queue and see if that makes it less “laggy”
I just adjusted my spell que and this feels amazing to play now.
Not quite 180ms I ended up finding a nice spot around 310 instead of 400 to adjust for my average 100ms. Any lower (about 270) and it started to spaz out a bit. Gained about 20-30k dps single target over all after about 4-5 minutes on a dummy and I’m definitely getting an extra crack shot in which would have otherwise been a cooldown.
Still noticing vanishing straight into BtE sometimes casting a dispatch, so guess I’ll just have to get used to using straight from my normal bar in those cases.
I have ~5ms with 180ms as the “sweet” spot, so if you’d add 100 to that, you’d be around 280, so that sounds like what would work for you
My brain doesn’t operate like a computer and thus I need macros to assist me. But the macros are buggy and thus I must use my brain to not run into bugs.
Love this catch 22. What’s the point of macros now. They used to be a great work around for my ADHD brain and my tendency to freeze under too much stress. Macros have been made into a sad mean joke on all those that use them.
This is why I went to sin. Too much of my outlaw dps was designed around one feature I can’t keep up with.
No shame in using macros, I use them for a lot of stuff.
This is how I ensure I have 0 overlap between shadow dance and subterfuge:
#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/use [nobonusbar:1] Shadow Dance
#showtooltip Vanish
/use [nobonusbar:1] Vanish
With the side note that if I press both at the exact same time, they both go off, because why not Blizzard…
I also cba with Ghostly Strike because I literally have no free buttons for it… Note that I only have this on my stealth bar, my non-stealth BtE isn’t a macro so I only use it in burst windows.
#showtooltip Between the Eyes
/use [known:Ghostly Strike] Ghostly Strike
/use Between the Eyes
Reading all of this sounds like we are trying to work out the proper angle to send an object to the moon rather than play a video game.
This all just solidifies my decision to stay away from outlaw in its current iteration.
Edit: errors.
To be clear, the issue is trying to game crackshot by using the inherent game design (macros or stances) to “play” the window optimally for you.
This simply doesn’t work consistently, meaning you need to actually track subterfuge yourself, or get a WA to warn you when you have less then a GCD remaining in stealth, and manually stop casting BtE after that point.
Its not actually that complicated to figure out what you are supposed to do, although it definitely is a harder gameplay then previous iterations and many other specs currently.
Yup, this sums it up pretty much. Sadly Outlaw is the only spec that fulfills the pistol fantasy 
What if I told you the proper way is not using any macros, put bte on both bars and just learn to play crackshot windows properly.