TBF, at the end of it all (7.3.5) they basically were handed out lol.
And yet sooooooooooooooooooo many people (at least here on the forums) whined about it til the very very end lol.
They could get 1 million gold in the mail and whine that it wasn’t 1 million and 1 gold
A lot of people play videogames because it makes them feel special to be better than other people. Gear is their trophy. They look wistfully back on the days when only raiders had purple gear, and they could preen and show off their gear in their capital city in hopes of getting whispers from strangers telling them how awesome they were.
Meanwhile, gear has no meaning in the game whatever. While leveling you can get “epic upgrades!” that are no different from the quest gear that was supposedly upgraded, same ilvl and same stats. Feels like “Hey, have a slap in the face! And another! You’re too stupid to realize we just gave you a purple that wasn’t even an upgrade!”
We’re not talking about winning a prize though. How about if you’re neighbor worked a month cutting lawns for him while you busted your hump for two years?
Like the dungeons? Because if that’s what you’re saying then I’m going to hard disagree with you. But if you’re referring to the raids, then I don’t understand what the complaint is because you’re being given good gear for a casual player.
Nothing in this game is real. Everything is just pixels. But you play because you think it makes you prestigious to have worked it like a job to “earn” something that makes you superior to other people.
Okay.
I don’t even know what gear other players have. I don’t inspect anyone unless they kill some quest mob ten times faster than I can. or if something looks especially interesting.
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And you don’t understand how metaphors work.
I think that doing world content and grinding should be a fairly close feeling experience whether you are in bis or a solo no stress player. It doesn’t have to be perfect but a close-ish gap would be fine.
Grinding by definition is not challenge based so why is it being given a challenge for people who choose to do it the majority of the time and being given zero challenge for people who probably don’t really like it and would rather be raiding.
Take away the gear aspect for a minute. I want the content that I do to have very little challenge to it, I don’t play wow for a challenge I play other games if I want challenge or competition. I also want to be able to improve my character over time by doing more of the content I want to do. Why? Because it’s fun to have something to work towards.
I am not a game designer so I couldn’t even begin to make more detailed suggestions as I’m sure that just flat tweaking ilvl or world health or whatever would have other implications on other aspects of the game I don’t play.
That said being a solo-casual in shadowlands is pretty awful. Once you get past all the systems at the end of the day it’s just a really bad pointless slog to collect anima that isn’t particularly fun and doesn’t really improve your character at any meaningful level.
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Why? This removes a major RPG and gear progression aspect of this game.
Why? This is a thread about gear. Its all about gear. I know how you dislike moving goalposts.
This is a lot of words that never come close to answering the question.
You state you want the gap between solo players and mythic raiders closer. I ask you for specifics. What that gap should be.
Your response is “i cant make that suggestion”.
If the people that want the gap closer can not suggest how close that gap should be…then how do you expect anything to be done?
You don’t get a variety of ever more difficult to acquire pets, toys, transmogs, mounts?
You don’t get gear for nearly every major content milestone you complete?
You don’t get a fully upgradable tier set that gives you a significant advantage while doing world content?
You don’t get any rewards my butt.
You may be lying to yourself but you’re not fooling anyone else with this nonsense.
Sooo true.
I swore I wasn’t gonna level alts this expac but here I am.
I mean, I still dump them at max level (I refuse to do all these systems on alts, REFUSE ) and move on to the next one but, yeah.
I can’t even be arsed to anima grind on my main, sure as heck not gonna do it on an alt.
Its a weird complaint though from the person you are responding to.
“Casuals like easy things to grind”
“But anima is a slog”
Grinding anima is an easy thing.
So now I am even more confused as to what “casuals” want.
Because I have no path to get that gear other than doing things I greatly dislike in game. I don’t want to play the game that way. That’s not an RPG. Gear progression as it currently stands is the least RPG thing about this game. You hop on a treadmill and get gear. There is no RPG aspect of that it’s just an esport.
Participating in M+, PVP, and Raiding is not an esport.
And frankly, that excuse is so old right now its hard for me to take anyone serious that attempts to use it.
I am sorry you dislike nearly everything about WoW.
Maybe MMOs are not for you.
I feel WoW has never been the game you are suggesting it turns into.
Actually I do. If you wish to communicate something other than what you actually wrote, perhaps reread what you wrote and reconsider. Because you certainly made it sound like the reason you’re playing is to prove you are better because you got the right pixels.
Actual casuals rarely if ever ask for the same gear as high end players. You might see an occasional, obvious troll or a raider’s alt posing as a casual saying this. However, high end players have repeated this lie to each other so many times that they believe it as god’s truth. The claims that casuals are asking for the best gear are posted probably 1000x more than that request.
Why do casuals want better gear? Because it is easier to kill stuff with better gear. Why do raiders always always always interpret any and all nonspecific requests for better gear as demands for mythic raid gear? I’m not sure. Is the only possible upgrade over quest gear mythic raid gear?
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That’s laughable as I certainly didn’t say any such thing, and I definitely don’t have the right pixels. I’m as casual as the next guy.
Oh. I see. So Stockholm syndrome.
Its been on the forums non stop the last few days. Constantly.
In this thread, people are literally asking for mythic raid quality gear for the solo “casual” player.
There have been a host of very specific demands for mythic raid quality gear.
Literally look at this thread title.
Any possible upgrade over quest gear is basically mythic+15 end of dungeon loot gear and heroic raid gear.