Original Ragnaros world first kill was 5 months after release

[Plaguelust-malganis]

Do tell. What melee items did Blizzard see fit to go back and nerf just to buff later down the line?

https://itemization.info/item/17705

This is being used across the board for almost every Warrior and Rogue (who isn’t going Combat Daggers if they lucked out with MC drops).

Notice they never buffed it, only nerfed.

Here, I’ll make it easy for you. Answer is none because they’re not doing that. Items are being released in their final forms. Even tier is being released in it’s final form. Your entire reply is disingenuous at best to an outright lie at worst.

You either can’t read or just don’t want to. A vast majority of melee-centric items never got changed from 1.1 onward and you can look them all up if you like.

https://itemization.info/item/15806 <-- Mirah’s Song
https://itemization.info/item/12927 <-- Truestrike Shoulders
https://itemization.info/item/13965 <-- Blackhand’s Breadth
https://itemization.info/item/15411 <-- Mark of Fordring

And so on, and so forth. Sit down.

The eruptions from the lava in Ragnaros’s Lair will now always happen while Ragnaros is in combat. However, these lava eruptions occur less frequently, do less damage, and the damage they inflict is now resistible.

You highlight the second part while ignoring the first: they balanced the infrequency of the eruptions where some pulls you’d get none and other pulls you’d get tons. Also you can avoid lava eruptions based on where you stand in the fight so… LOL?

[Belkira-whitemane]

I mean these threads are the equivalent of a grown adult asking why their child’s grade 1 addition isn’t challenging.

[Tristany-pagle]

BfA isn’t hard… but it isn’t fun either.

Harder than anything in classic.

That may be true… that doesn’t make it hard. And it doesn’t make it fun. At least not for me.

[Plaguelust-malganis]

BACK IN MY DAY WE USED FINGERS AND TOES

/giggle

[Hidalin-pagle]

They probably will never capture the exact same feeling as the historical game but they could at least bring it a little closer to the actual experience by making the game more difficult at first and then easing up the difficulty as content patches are applied.

I strongly suspect they believe they are already doing that tbh.

They’ve already stated that there are certain items being delayed because they feel they would make the game too easy right now.

So, as easy as we consider this content, Blizzard seems to feel it will become even easier when the next phases hit.

[Spinetickler-emerald-dream]

Oh I think rags will be going down in a few more weeks. People have a clue, and those that do not ,theres literally thousands of WOW videos from 2004-2007

[Jojenpaste-mankrik]

because 1.12 is the TBC preparation patch, they have it.

1.12 wasn’t the TBC “preparation” patch. 1.12 was the CRB patch and it came months before the TBC patch, which was 2.0.1.

[Imonalott-kelthuzad]

your argument proves you wrong so im not sure? I said there was a lack of resources compared to now which is true. Facts dont care about your opinions. and because a movie is popular in your Country doesn’t mean its popular worldwide? your being subjective as well but its ok your opinion is valid on these forums. I was telling a story and my experience and you took it as a personal attack…
Also I brought up Super Mario 3 as I found it hard with my friends found it hard but if you say the movie somehow proves my personal expirience wrong I dont know what to tell you? “I remember people having troubles beating Super Mario 3 as the last world is very hard”

so we are both right

[Hidalin-pagle]

Then why do people keep saying it was released to prepare people for TBC?

That’s where I am honestly confused.

[Jojenpaste-mankrik]

I’ve never seen anyone say that.

[Vlorg-thalnos]

Oh look you’re talking out of your a/ss again!

Guy thinks you can do 650 dps right now In everyday’s raid…
no wonder you speak from a refail character. Zero clue what you’re talking about

might want to take a look at warcraft log buddy… there’s quite a few parses over 650 dps.

and as a side note, ragnaros requires 30X dps at 260DPS to be killed before the first submerge ( if I remember correctly).

[Katrynia-stormrage]

We misunderstood each other. I lot of items in Vanilla were changed over the iteration of the game.

In Classic they are not doing so. You’re getting items in their final forms or released in later phases. THAT is what I meant. However, I don’t see how you pointing that out has anything to do with my original point that Ascent did this on hardmode?

You’re also conveniently ignoring the fact that nerfing Lava Eruptions is a HUGE buff for melee.

[Vlorg-thalnos]

All you needed originally was fire resist of like 100+ which was recommended in the strategies posted by the same people who are posting mythic strategies today.

there has never been a reason for anyone outside of the tank to use FR on ragnaros.

especially when the LBRS fire buff / fire prot pots are available.

people gimping their DPS to get more FR on ragnaros made him harder.

not only were they idiot back then, but current mythic raider ADMIT they were idiot back then.

[Fearoftdark-herod]

might want to take a look at warcraft log buddy… there’s quite a few parses over 650 dps.

and as a side note, ragnaros requires 30X dps at 260DPS to be killed before the first submerge ( if I remember correctly).

Idk how ahead of the curve you people on thalnos are. But I’m basing my opinion from the dps I and other people at #1-10 of dps charts in the 2 MC and 2 Onyxia I’ve done so far in Classic on Herod.

If you are basing yours from Warcraft logs when there has been known exploits to clear raids as many times as you want. You’re going to be way off reality.

The poster i quoted was ranting that people not pulling 650dps are bad lol. So I called him out on it because the pug I was in that 2shot rag had top dps around 200dps. I would like to believe they are not bad. (The poster I quoted probably hasn’t even killed a boss in MC yet)

[Plaguelust-malganis]

and as a side note, ragnaros requires 30X dps at 260DPS to be killed before the first submerge ( if I remember correctly).

~3min until he submerges for Sons, so that’s 1.1mil to drop. With 30 sources of damage, you’d need to average 204 DPS per player, and there are some parses of Warriors doing more than that while Tanking. Hardly a mean feat at all.

You’re getting items in their final forms or released in later phases.

Which is irrelevant when items didn’t change for a lot of the gear people are actually using.

Ascent did this on hardmode

Any hardmode they had to deal with was self-imposed. The melee don’t move all fight, meaning this is pre-bug fix on Rag’s knockback, which makes the fight substantially more braindead for melee than it already is.

You’re also conveniently ignoring the fact that nerfing Lava Eruptions is a HUGE buff for melee.

They made it such that lava eruptions would happen every fight on a consistent basis rather than sometimes do nothing or sometimes spam the raid… all of which can be avoided by positioning, including for melee.

Look at the video again, look at that Rogue’s play, and look at his health when he’s not (LOLOL) trying to gather up the Sons using his FR gear.

People played terribly back then and didn’t take advantage of the tools available from the start of the game.

[Hidalin-pagle]

your argument proves you wrong so im not sure? I said there was a lack of resources compared to now which is true.

That’s also false.

The internet didn’t make the amount of resources skyrocket.

How old are you? Seriously.

Facts dont care about your opinions. and because a movie is popular in your Country doesn’t mean its popular worldwide?

From Wikipedia:
The Wizard debuted at No. 5, earning $2,142,525 in the domestic box office. At the end of its run, the film had grossed $14,278,900. Based on an estimated $6 million budget, the film was a moderate box office success.

It’s not being subjective when you simply report facts about a film.

It’s called research and citing sources.

Also I brought up Super Mario 3 as I found it hard with my friends found it hard but if you say the movie somehow proves my personal expirience wrong I dont know what to tell you? “I remember people having troubles beating Super Mario 3 as the last world is very hard”

so we are both right

The movie reference isn’t to negate your personal experience.

It’s an example of the type of resources we had prior to the Internet. You know, things like books and magazines were a lot more popular back then, and if you had trouble with a game, you could even call Nintendo to find out to beat it.

Nor am I trying to negate that you or your friends had difficulty.

However, when people discuss the NES era, when they bring up difficult games, they 1) discuss how much harder games were back then compared to now, and 2) they mention games like Kid Icarus, Ninja Gaiden, Battle Toads. I have never seen a list of difficult games include Super Mario 3.

My entire focus, quite frankly, isn’t about YOU.

It’s about the current generation of gamers versus older gamers and I will argue against this notion that us gamers before the Internet were such morons that we had no idea how to play video games when the genre itself has become easier.

[Bleu-skeram]

If it helps, the Classic world first kill was heavily reliant on exploiting at least one bug (raid XP not being properly penalized), and based on recent events, possibly more that we don’t even know about. Would they have still gotten the world first kill without cheating? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Honestly, I’ve grown somewhat comfortable with that outcome.

If, as a fan, you ask JK Rowling what it was that allowed Harry Potter to defeat Voldemort, you will, as a fan, go into it with a wide variety of possible answers. To name just a few:

• Voldemort was weakened in the absence of all his horcruxes
• Lily’s blood magic in Harry protected him
• Lily’s blood magic in Voldemort compromised him
• Harry was actually the master of Voldemort’s wand
• Harry was the master of the Deathly Hallows

But the author will never give you a straight answer. You might get something cheeky like “any of them and all of them” or “pick your favorite”. The reason is that she understands, like Tolkien did, that removing the mystery detracts from the story.

How does this relate to Classic’s world-first Rag kill? We’ll never know what group got the first one legitimately, without any exploits. We have a mystery on our hands that only Blizzard could resolve. But, like Rowling and Tolkien, and I think largely for the similar reasons, they won’t.

What answer does that leave us with? Nobody got world-first. Or we all did. Pick your favorite.

P.S. And honestly, if you go into Classic WoW thinking that world-first kills are an even remotely significant thing to draw from the experience, you – like a father watching baseball on television over playing catch with his own son in the yard – are cheating yourself out of more than you know.

[Vlorg-thalnos]

While I personally agree that we all know the fights and it should be much easier this time around the part about the first classic wow rag kill was that they didnt have enough FR gear and didnt have all max levels (so there would have been more misses and resists) and they still downed him with most of the raid alive

why do people still think you need FR ( on non-tank) for rag?

[Hundo-atiesh]

why do people still think you need FR ( on non-tank) for rag?

I guess I just remember guilds haviong a minimum FR requirement for all dps back in the day

[Plaguelust-malganis]

If you are basing yours from Warcraft logs when there has been known exploits to clear raids as many times as you want. You’re going to be way off reality.

Do you just say things you’re mad about and link them to entirely unrelated things? You can look at people’s gear, you can see how many kills in a log they get… you’re just stupidly trolling.

had top dps around 200dps

They’re bad. HAHAHAHA

Mages spamming Frostbolt without a single Power Infusion or Arcane Power buff do more than 200 DPS.

Holy crap dude…