Agreed.
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Can you stop hurting my feelings?
Yeah Iâm all about that EvP life
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Who are you? The game has barely been out for 5 weeks. There hasnât been time for you to get to know people on the other side.
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most horde are working. then we get home, do a bit of questingâŚ
âoh, org is being sieged? lol im lvl 23â
-continues questing-
thatâs my excuse at least. ive been in the 20s for a week now but I will swing on a lvl 25
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If you zerg Org with 120 people in a coordinated attack, you arent going to find, and probably arent actually looking for a good fight. (much less if you do that at lowbie zones like crossroads, tarren mill, lol wut? If that is what you like that is fine. But Be honest with yourself and call it what it is.
The problem is 1. They dont care. Ive tried to fire em up. They actually do not care about protecting thrall. They dont care about attacks on tarren mill. They dont care about prestige, or rep. Ally raids are just noise at this point. 2. They dont have a guild even close to big enough, or coordinated enough to deal with a scheduled attack, much less an impromptu attack. It just aint gonna happen.
I doubt there are even 120 Horde geared 60âs on the server at all , much less 120 that are online at once, and together in a guild or even across a few guilds that speak to each other. Whereas the alliance have several guilds built like Hurricane. Itâd be great if Horde even had one large guild that was as into WPVP. The biggest horde guild isnt even liked by the Horde. But Theyd still need a few more guilds for it to be close to âa good fightâ
Youâll probably never find what you claim to be looking for on Grob. Either a few dedicated guilds are going to need to join the server and level to 60, and gear up (not happening) Or you are going to need to leave and look elsewhere.
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Before blizz disabled the census addons they were showing very equal populations. BRM, which is probably the epicentre of ganking by 60s, changes hands constantly. All this talk about the horde lacking a population of 60s does not correlate to what Iâve seen in those endgame zones.
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Yeah Ive been playing since launch. An unhealthy amount actually. An amount I could not sustain if I had a full time job. Im still barely 60. All I know about Hurricane is they zerg Tarren mill.
The game just came out dude.
Ask in chat for help. Nobody cares. Everyone is too busy questing or gearing up to stop what they are doing to defend tarren mill for absolutely no gain, vs a blob of colours that is somehow already run out of useful things to do.
IM not bashing no-lifing it. But if you are going to do so, en masse, and organize weekly/semi daily pvp raids to lowbie zones, on top of some other strict requirements Ive heard of, you CANNOT be surprised or confused that not even a fraction of the rest of the server are meeting your level of intensity. Itâs not even just a wow thing, or a pvp thing, people simply dont do what you do, normally.
You need like another equally autistic Horde guild or 2.
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I wouldnt use BRM as a metric. BRM is bound to âchange handsâ regardless. There is only so long you can stand out side of a portal till one side gets bored or the other side just gets past you.
Pop may be similar but the 60s definitely arent. And another problem is, they are absolutely nowhere near as coordinated, and have nowhere near the same level of intensity or desire to PVP, so equal pop is very misleading.
Lets not pretend it is just a matter of bad timing
Like I said, the censuses showed the numbers almost perfectly equal until they were shut down. Itâs implausible that alliance has suddenly surged ahead since that time, because why? Sounds like you should just be shopping for a bigger guild.
As someone who was on emerald dream for years
dont just throw raids especially multiple ones, people will get burnt out on fighting the massive battles fairly quickly especially if you just bring insane numbers right off the bat with no escalation.
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I believe Grobb is the server for mass WPvP like this. It will take some time for many interested Horde side guilds to get there, but the demand is here. Itâs just a matter of time.
In the future, it will be best to coordinate with opposing guilds and fight in non-city environments to avoid Guards and uneven gys.
80vs80 wpvp battles anyone?
Hurricane is doing a great thing here. I for one will retaliate, and as long as I donât burn out, will be up for coordinating these mass conflicts.
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Youâre talking about two different things.
Even if both factions have equal numbers of leveled toons, that doesnât mean the desire and coordination to do in-game content of this type are both equivalent.
At its core, this is an RP server with a PvP rulesetâitâs not a âpvpâ server in the sense that PvP is regarded as the content itself. Emerald Dream became a PvP server like that over time because CRZ allowed PvP zergs to swarm the server, but thatâs not the same thing as claiming the serverâs culture itself welcomed that kind of interaction. For the most part, those kinds of invasions werenât/arenât received well.
I would anticipate that the larger guilds are centered around RP first and PvP second. They PvP in furtherance of RP, not the other way around. This outfit seems to RP in furtherance of PvP. Itâs not a bad thing, but to my point this is the most content Iâve seen from âEverâ and as you notice itâs OOC. That horde asking who she is wasnât wrong. Thereâs been nothing established from this guild, or really from any guilds for that matter. Even those of us doing this for years (PvPâing on RP realms) donât know who our noteworthy rivals are, who will make it to max level, or who will continue playing the game at this point. All of that needs to be built up over time with thicc storytelling in order for it to feel âreal.â
Itâs not a right or wrong thing, but the culture might not match what theyâre trying to accomplish.
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Yeah between the Federation, WSB, and all the other zerg guilds/alliances over the years, it gets dull fast. Especially this early when a very large portion of the defense would still be sub-60.
They are just posturing for people who really couldnât care less.
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I think you meant to say the horde should be shopping for a bigger guild.
Luckily we dont need to guess what is plausible or not, because we already know what happened. It is pretty straight forward.
A couple of guilds that were a combination of premade, strict, regimented, intense, and with a strong wpvp culture chose to roll ALLY on Grob. Some servers never end up with guilds like these in their lifetime. There is certainly no guarantee there would be more than one on a server, and that they would be on opposite factions. That is a pipe dream.
It is naive to think they would evenly distribute across all servers or that even populations would cause them to naturally form. It really only takes one guild like this to change the culture of a server, and grob has several, on the same faction. Nothing similar happened on Horde, not by a long shot. This isnt any one guilds fault. It is perfectly fine, but a shame for those if they are looking for âgood fightsâ.
Even if we assume 50/50 faction split of number of toons, they are completely different in terms of number of geared 60s, and just faction culture in general. The horde on grob simply DO NOT want to PVP on the level and intensity that the ALLY do. You can see this just by reading any chat during an attack. OR read the weekly reddit post about how the horde dont counter-raid. Or just compare the volume and quality of pvp raids.
I dont doubt that some horde want to fight. But there is not one single horde guild with the numbers, or the desire, or the wpvp culture, or the organization as even the 2nd or 3rd biggest Ally guild.
It is really a shame for anyone looking for solid wpvp.
Ive been reading more posts about pvp on grob in general and some themes really stood out and it made me hopeful for the server long term.
Open letter to zerg guilds:
Like Hurricane, I too have been wondering why the Horde dont defend org vs 120 man raids, or jump every time a zerg attacks TM. I once thought, maybe they just dont have the numbers (true, at least at 60), or the spine so they quit before trying. But there is another bigger issue.
To put it simply, they are busy building characters and real politics for the long term, and simply dont take you seriously. While everyone else was rping and progressing, you bum rushed to 60 so you could zerg TM and spam pics? Semi daily! lol. You are going to burn yourselves out before anyone knows who you really are. Thats fine if thats how you want to play, but dont act confused at the response. You are seen as a joke, a zerg meme guild that wont be around in 6 months, much less 2 years. Your "heroic raids are noise, and a collective eye roll. For many, you arent worth the loss of xp, or cost of the flight path to go see what you are doing. They can see the album later on reddit anyway, or the next album 2 days from now.
On an rp server you have to earn your rep but just about every post about Hurricane and other meme guilds are written by the guilds themselves, self congratulating. Wow you mean you actually took a pic inside of TM? Wow you actually wiped out people that literally cannot hit you due to game mechanics that have nothing to do with skill? Your sophisticated BORG hivemind could get 20 healers and 100 DPS to spam aoe?
You clearly put troll, zerg, meme, into an RP name generator and it spat out callous privateer militia. That is about as deep as it goes and everyone knows it, so why become invested in your future?
Basically, rp server players are Ents. They know you want them to march to war, and that you think youâre Sauron, or Saruman with your armies, but they know youâre actually just a band of mindless wildmen who wont matter soon.
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I guess what comes next will be a bit of a surprise to you. Iâll leave it at that.
Waiting to see a video of organized 5v5 or 10v10
Thatâs whatâs fun to participate in, and watch.
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That is what I will be primarily focusing on with my content. Weâre all just super slow at leveling.
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What? You wont post pics bragging about another 120 vs 15 battle in a lvl 10-20 zone? That would be a surprise.
If your grand plan is to continue to be background noise until you inevitably get bored and leave as all meme guilds do, then nothing you do will ever be a surprise.
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