The current iteration of this talent doesn’t even feel like an option. It looks amazing, sounds fun, etc etc but the implementation has made it a choice in name only.
After testing, what an “outdoor area” means is a FLYING area. Which means it doesn’t work in Timeless Isle, The Maw, Oribos, Argus, etc, or even in outdoor dungeons except NO and Dawnbreaker. There’s a few niche questing cases where not spending 1.5 secs mounting a few times is slightly more efficient than dragonriding, but is that enough for a hero talent point?
Realistically, something needs to happen to make this choice usable. I’d like to recommend;
-Usable everywhere, speed reduced to 140% in combat/indoors.
OR
-Baked into the Acherus deathcharger for all DKs without eating a hero talent spot.
The feast or famine way it is currently implemented (and as far as I can tell, it’s almost all famine) is going to prevent what is one of the coolest abilities DKs have gotten from ever seeing play.
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My issue is that I’m only interested in playing PvP and it’s useless in instanced PvP.
I’d like to see it just have reduced effectiveness in BGs and stuff so it’s not busted, but I can still live out my dream of being a mounted knight PvP combatant.
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It’s also buggy as all hell with the random mount button too. Feels like the node should work the current way it does but the paler horse choice should make you “mounted” on the deathcharger while not mounted in most spaces and just give a lower movespeed boost indoors/in PvP.
It definitely feels like it frustrates the feel to have to dismount the flying mount to get on the deathcharger when the whole idea of the hero talents is you’re supposed to be on your charger in combat all the time.
I was actually super excited about this talent for world pvp while leveling because usually flying isn’t allowed right away in new xpacs.
I was quickly disappointed as you get flying immediately. Logged off and went to warrior.
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This is why I choose the other hero talent reapers mark
I knew they would do a hafe butt job on this
I hope they fix it and not leave it as it is or the whole expansion
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I figured it wasn’t to be that great. “Outdoor” is a keyword term in the game and doesn’t exactly refer to our sense of what outdoor actually means. I’m pretty glad I had more faith in Deathbringer.
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Anyone who thought that they would make dk be able to permanent mount in any meaningful content at mounted movement speed, I have a bridge to sell you.
I told you so.
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I wasn’t expecting it to be useful with an outdoor restriction, but I was at least expecting it to be on par with the class hall mount that lets you fight while mounted in Argus. I was looking forward to Timeless Isle/Maw farming.
Even if it was instance restricted entirely, and was just an overworld flavor talent it would be better than it’s current iteration. Right now the choice is between an extra 65% movement speed on Death’s Advance and root break that also frees up a talent point in March of Darkness versus a talent that, if you’re lucky, lets saves you 2-3 mount casts in a WQ and is useless in 95% of the world.
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I don’t know, I think it’s pretty fun.
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I mean… I thought it was obvious this is a flavor talent and death charge was the good one?
Death charge is probably the best movement button in the game.
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I take it that it’s completely unusable in instanced PvP? I’ll be playing this Prot Pally on the side almost entirely because it has 2 charges of 9 second Divine Steed that is unsnareable and has a knockback effect. Plus it gets a 30% additional speed boost for the first 3 seconds. That’s a whole lotta smiles per gallon.
Yep, no BGs or Arenas.
It’s frustrating because they could’ve just nerfed it in instanced PvP to make it work. Like take it down to a lower %speed increase in those game modes. It really ruins the fantasy of being a “rider” of the apocalypse when instead you just summon riders while you’re on foot like some sort of DK peasant.
Yeah, Steed is always fun. Always hoping that one day they let you pick your mount. Let me roll up on fools and throw hammers from my motorcycle you cowards.
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if you didnt realize that when it was announced then idk what to tell you
it will be and should never be useable in pvp bg, arenas, dungeons of any kind or raids. anyone saying it should legit shouldnt have a say on design/tuning in any real content
yes it should be useable in stuff like timeless isle and other open world content. but overal not surprised its not useable in there
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I get not letting it into pvp zones. Seems odd if you can’t use the ground mount function in an area where you can use your ground mount but not fly.
Least you still get the rest of the tree and the Four Horseman fight beside you right?
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this talent is the absolute best talent ive ever seen come to dk ever
the fantasy it plays and the sheer power for wpvp is unquestionable
its acceptable that its only usable in open world pvp, yes they can mount and fly away, but unless ur a rogue theres no chance any class escapes a rider dk if they have a brain
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Or paladin.
Bubble-hearth go burrrrrrr…
They should let you just be on the horse literally everywhere. Especially since it’s what the whole tree is based around.
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Yes, but it’s one of a two option talent, the second option gives you an ability like the paladin charger, but better because it breaks roots. So when questing use On a Paler Horse and when in dungeons change it to Death Charger.
Except druids can turn into their Travel Form {OUTDOORS} meaning anywhere you can mount.
It’s not irrational that we expected the same treatment. We did not get the same treatment.
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I agree with others that there is room for improvement. But five horsemen riding over the enemy is really fun. Its a game after all, a bit of fluff is fine. Besides, changing the talent when playing other content is super simple.
It might make more sense to consolidate the two options though. Let you stay mounted following a charge, and let you charge from the mount.
Giving it flight would also be a big win.