Oh would you look at that

It… technically was housing. You unlock a house after clearing it up and after some time, through your in game efforts, its visuals change and its function changes.

Either way, Garrisons are also player housing, it’s just a very bad version of player housing, with a lot of the customization options that you’d expect to be included completely stripped away in favor of a template precon style build system.

Were these the things that people had in mind when they asked for housing? No, not even close, but they are probably as close as we will ever get.

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People asked for a sandwich. They got a sandwich.

But they wanted a hot reuben instead of the BLT they got. So now it’s “not a sandwich” because it didn’t meet their expectations.

Strange i thought i was on World of Warcrafts forums.

I can’t help that. Blizzard likes to do Blizzard things. Sometimes it’s a great success, and sometimes it’s garrisons.

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Saying that it sucked would be accurate. That’s a starting point that most of us could agree on.

Might be nice if they did/would do better but I’m not sure why people are split over just saying “they’ve tried and it didn’t go well.”

I ignored your examples largely because they do nothing to prove what you are trying to prove. Garrisons and the farm may not be good housing like these other systems but they ARE undoubtedly player housing, and the complaints they largely received were things that hold true to housing no matter its implementation (unless you were to ask for unrealistic things like actual physical in-world real estate), hence why the idea has not been revisited.

The players asking for housing are outweighed by the players who did not like the housing massively, and it doesn’t help that they refuse to even acknowledge the housing they got as housing to begin with. What incentive does blizzard have to serve you as a customer when there is a vocal majority who does not want what you want, and you have shown through your actions that you will not accept what you have been given on any level regardless?

“Go do play this” = fallacy.

“That’s what Garrison were” = fallacy.

Rename the forums to Fallacy General.

Then there’s zero reason to read whatever made up dissertation you just posted or have a conversation with someone who doesn’t want to learn or be informed about what housing in an MMORPG actually is and has clearly no intention of ever learning.

Your opinion isn’t valid as you have no idea what it is you’re discussing and don’t want to learn.