Oh boy hero talents

You dont even have to use that many buttons for Unholy or at least didnt. You could ignore a lot of it and lose minimal dps.

Hitting a single button over and over is never going to be that strong. Its not even that its simple, there just isnt anything there. There is no substance to it, nothing to react to. You just keep Bloody Vengeance up by having enough crit and then just do the regular stuff any other Dk spec wants to do.

Again whats wrong with simple? plus doesnt frost also have a similar simple playstyle yet your not saying anything about that.

The game needs an overall massive pruning.
Classes are so bloated and just unfun to play.

They could very easily keep Frost simplistic but make the abilities actually interesting with new vfx and it would be insane.

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There is a difference between simple and lacking.

Frost has things you actually want to react to and how to use your Unbreakable Armor without losing much because it costs a Frost Rune. Blood doesnt have any of that. If you have diseases up and your runes are converted you hit heart strike and if you have no runes you hit death coil. Hysteria (now Unholy Frenzy) has no cost so working it in is extremely easy, and Dancing Rune Weapon doesnt actually take into account some of your stats. But they are the only things you really have to worry about.

Its a lacking spec and it doesnt even hit that hard compared to Frost.

Seems like your forgetting about death strike being part of the rotation, again frost really isnt that much more complex then blood lets be honest.

Again…WHAT is wrong with simple?

Feels like all your doing is simple=bad

No im not

You have to be trolling because I answered this. ITS LACKING and there is a difference between LACKING and simple.

just gonna be honest I think you want to argue just for the sake of it, im just gonna say lets agree to disagree because it just seems like you got really nothing of substence to say so you want to argue for the sake of it.

Think what you want, the one arguing to argue is you here. I said it was lacking and you keep going back to “whats wrong with simple” like I havent been typing anything.

I also said convert your runes, which you want to do with Death Strike due to the other talents within the spec and you wanted to act like I just didnt talk about it.

But glad to see the DK forums are still full of disingenuous troll that just end up on ignore lists.

You seem like a narcissist dude, should go maybe talk to someone about that, good day.

People let their imaginations run wild and then get disappointed when live launches.

So many negative nancys.

IMO DKs have the coolest collection of Hero Specs.
Rider of the Apocalypse sounds cool.

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Nothing when it’s not simple just for the sake of being simple.

Ret is simple. The entire kit still plays off other abilities and has internal synergies that results in each ability/talent playing off something else. Greater Judgment encourages bigger spenders (which you get off Judgment). HoW generates extra HP during execute so you get more spenders, etc.

Frost is simple. The kit is mostly just independent abilities that have no synergies. Obliterate doesn’t make spenders hit harder. There’s no extra RP generation for any rune builders. Ultimately, there could be some synergies, but KM Obliterate would need damage taken out and put into the spenders in the kit to encourage that. Otherwise, the spec just devolves into Obliterate spam, which is exactly what Blizzard said they didn’t want going into Legion.

Ret is simple with a kit that encourages you to utilize every DPS ability you have to get big spenders or be able to spend quicker.

Frost is simple just for the sake of being simple, with a kit that wants you just to press Obliterate until you can’t and only press FS to keep up maintenance buffs or when you have nothing else to press. You don’t press RW on CD, you don’t care if Rime buffs overlap some of the time. It’s simple just to be simple.

Yeah, that’s pretty standard for that user.

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What was I just arguing about? I said Blood was lacking in Wrath when it comes to DPS and it is. There is nothing to it. At least im not delusional when something is announced to think Frost tanking is coming back, Blood DPS is coming back and everything is going to be reworked.

Ngl, the hero spec names for DK sound cool as hell. Hopefully they are able to implement them well and they’re not just a bunch of boring %dmg modifiers.

Ya I like the names of the specs
I’m assuming:
Rider of the Apocalypse - Unholy?
San’layn - for sure Blood
Deathbringer - Frost?

The problem is that DK is fundamentally flawed/outdated/pick a term and put it here. It’s hard to drum up pure excitement for a class with inconsistent design, and it feels like Blizzard doesn’t know where to take DK as a whole. I’ve pretty much played a DK from the moment I could play one, and I don’t know if I’m going to continue with it come 11.0. It isn’t burnout on my class, it’s just hating that there doesn’t seem to be a clear and consistent intent behind the design of its specs and gameplay, entirely independent of actual performance.

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Who named these specs cause they are terrible.

Why not Scourgelord we are basically in charge of them now with the Lich King gone. Honestly it should be a DK only title as well.

Instead of San’layn use Darkfallen much better.

Deathbringer is fine I guess. Kinda hard to think of a good name for a frost oriented Hero tree.

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Well I hope frost has access to death bringer and rider
Unholy rider and San
Blood San and deathbringer

I miss frost tank

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Is anyone being negative? I think the whole system sounds great and I love almost everything they’ve shown for the next expansion.

I’m also realistic though, in the deep dive the druid tree showed us it’s mostly passive abilities and modifiers. People were acting like they added in 100+ new specs that allowed every DK spec to tank, dps, or dual wield.