When they refer to chromie time, they specifically mean leveling. No other race would have the ability to shave 25% of the time it takes to level. Imagine a new player coming into the game and googling “what’s the fastest class to level?” Well duh, drakthyr anything because you get a 900% speed boost every 5mins that will dramatically cut down the time it takes to get from a to b questing areas.
Yeah it seems stupid but in reality we’re already going to have an over abundance of drakthyr, no need to exacerbate the issue over time.
Okay fair point, I didn’t consider the fact that they start at 58. They have mentioned that it’s possible down the line that drakthyr would be able to be other classes. Would they start at 10 or 58? I know the hero classes start higher (dh/dk) but would the race start at 10 or 58 if they were say a warrior?
Also while I personally believe 900 was too fast, I do wish in the future they would start small and incrementally adjust the numbers upwards.
I think the perception behind their change would be completely different had they started soar out at say 400% and said, hey you know what we want you guys to have some more fun with this we’re going to increase it to 650%.
Dracthyr in general start at 58 so theres no possibilty for them to be in Chromie Time.
Also, as the testers have all been pointing out the answer should have been to make Dragonriding in old zones available to everyone rather than nerfing Soar.
How so? Dragonriding is difficult and requires a lot of learning while the old flying mounts require none as they simply have 3D movement. It wouldnt nullify them at all, just give players a new option for locomotion.
How do you rationalize nerfing a tertiary racial that has no impact on the game outside of the end-user?
The appeal to “common sense” argument is probably the most low effort perspective a person can use. Without using any logic or critical thinking as to how or why Dracthyr are OP, you are just expecting people to say “Oh yeah, common sense, of course, it all makes sense!” when that isn’t realistic in any way, shape or form.
So please, both of you explain and reason with me as to how and why Dracthyr racials are OP. If you want to make a claim, then support it and try to change my mind.
I dont see that as having a base in reality. Dragonriding requires you to launch from an elevated position and can only travel short distances before having to land.
You wont be able to replace flight with Dragonriding on the whole.
They didn’t specifically ask about soar…you knob. Also, it is mentioned at the bottom but do I really need to spell it out for you? I can go copy and paste the Blizz argument if that makes you feel better.
It’s not necessarily that Dracthyr racials are overpowered, but rather it may be that they don’t make sense to have as racials, or that the racial doesn’t make sense in the wider world.
Dragonriding is an experiment that is unlikely to survive past the Dragon Isles, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing; not every factor of an expansion survives it. Dragonriding is a side activity meant to provide some levity to the leveling process, that’s it. Blizzard is testing how Soar interacts with the wider world because there is a wider world outside of the Dragon Isles, including future expansion content that may not play nice with Dragonriding’s… Quirks.
Not only that, but Dragonriding needing to be leveled and improved is a death knell for it in my opinion. Either your dragon becomes a Bag of Spilling every expansion, Dragonriding faces the same Pathfinder-esque lockdowns TBC Flight currently does, or they simply don’t allow Dragonriding as an activity outside of the Dragon Isles because they may not want to design with it in mind.
So it’s not necessarily an overpowered racial; it is instead an inappropriate one that would be better served by becoming a flying ‘Running Wild’ outside of the Dragon Isles.
Honestly, I could go either way. I don’t think Soar specifically needed to be nerfed, but I do feel that changes to their racial abilities needed to be made.
Obviously, Blizz decided to target instead for some reason.
This isn’t OP in the slightest. With the way their mastery works, it scales off of higher HP targets, and tapers off, very similarly to Condemn for Warriors. The easiest part of any fight is the opener to begin with, so I’m not sure where you’re getting “it’s op” from, but their Masteries are not very good to begin with. Also, we haven’t seen the sims yet either to see how it compares to throughput, and even if it does contribute more to throughput than other races, they can only be one class, and they may rely on Mastery scaling more than other classes, which may come across as bloated, but could very easily be scaled around it, so I don’t really understand this argument, as it doesn’t really make sense to begin with.
And? This just allows them to track nodes from further away - if you think this is OP, wait until I tell you about the gathering addons that leave node markers on the map from when you gather, factoring that in with Druid Flight Form or the Engineering Skyshredder. Again, will have really no impact on the game - and only serves to help the low-end casual farmers.
Once again, and? This likely won’t stack with the Guild Passive you get - and even if it does, this pales in comparison to Dragon Riding, and on top of that, they have a neutered version of Dragon Riding to begin with. The only way you can deem this as OP is if people actually World PvP’d commonly in the open world and it was competitive, which it isn’t. So once again, not really understanding why this is brought up when this literally only serves to travel faster throughout the world, on top of all that, why is this deemed OP, but Vulpera’s being able to place a Hearthstone literally anywhere isn’t? How about Mages being able to teleport virtually anywhere? Where is the line you draw.
I don’t think you fully understand how small 6 yards actually is. In super coordinated groups, yeah, it can help, but comparing this to the likes of Pandaren sleep, War Stomp, etc. this is pretty abysmally small. It really doesn’t provide much combat benefit, considering you are typically casting from anywhere from 20-30 yds away, and if you have to use it, the odds are you’re not getting really any value out of it to begin with, there is much more impactful CC in the game that isn’t that racial.
Not to mention, Demon Hunters move WAY faster than Dracthyr, and it isn’t even close. They move almost as fast as a mount, if not faster with proper usage of their glide. Dracthyr doesn’t have a double jump, DHs do. So once again, not really understanding why this is being brought up.