He’s not actually a troll he’s just dumb.
Go watch his stream it’s comical how trash he is at everything.
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Hang on a sec - horde dying at an ally controlled SHGY and rezzing at IBGY is the same exact thing as allies rezzing at SPGY after the horde has turned the flag? Wouldn’t the same thing be allies dying at a horde controlled IBGY rez at the ally controlled SHGY? I mean, if we’re allowed to move the goal posts around like that then yeah, I guess we can come up with a bunch of no win scenarios.
For the record, Im all in favor of the more modern cave push back at the risk of sperging out some nochanges neckbeard. That being said if the horde were made to spawn at FWGY instead of the cave in your scenario that basically gives the alliance galv, ibgy and the two mid towers while also pinning the horde back from getting out to the alliance parts of the map. Which puts the alliance into zerg turtle mode to take FWGY and RH. Which aint easy like it aint easy to take SHGY or SPGY from the alliance when they all congregate there.
So outside of the fact that we’re playing on an outdated map that’s supposed to be full of elite npcs and everything else from old AV, I guess the other problem is both teams strategies is to just zerg like a mofo. Which I loathe with a passion btw.
I used to be able to do stuff in AV like cap mines, or do turn ins, or get the wing commanders on the move. Maybe help a level 5* do their cave quest. Now I just get crap from my own teammates because Im not dying at the SHGY flag stand 20 times during the hordes 50 laughingly ineffective ‘charge in 3 - 2 - 1’ attempts.
I still contend the larger issue is the dominate culture and the apathy it produces but for the sake of this argument I don’t think we’re supposed to be playing AV that way. For me its kinda like AB - like when you send a few to BS in the hopes the other team over commits which lets you send a few to a different base and hopefully take it.
I think we’re supposed to be using actual strategies and stuff to try and win. Like splitting the teams and going for different objectives and then adjusting on the fly to what the other team is doing etc etc
Hey, crazy idea here, but have you considered getting SF GY before you get IB GY?
its ok you wont be 2300 because youre good. Im sure youll just find a way to abuse a 14 year old system.
SFGY an SHGY are damn near side by side across the map width wise. We cant defend SHGY with the whole force, how do we then divide our forces to protect 2 GY’s from a horde GY we cannot choke?
You can leap down from IBGY and we can’t stop you from doing so, letting you control where the fight will be. If we bottle neck into IBGY it all comes back to 10 res’s vs 20 res’s once we take IBGY.
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No. Go google a map of AV. SF and SH GY are not side by side. In fact, if you look, SF GY is perfectly equidistant from SH and IB GYs.
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Every single AV, Horde rushes to SH GY and the Alliance meet us there. Meanwhile 1-2 horde go cap SF GY. Usually only 1 of them stays to watch it til it caps, often 0 horde watch it til it caps.
Your main team will head to SH GY to HK and rep farm. Send 5 people to SF GY, spin the flag, and guard it til it caps. That’s step 1.
Let me get this straight, you think us defending SHGY an SFGY is gonna happen. You know we’d have to control thee entire mid field of the map.
The diffence you keep failing to see is that distance might not be the issue, the issue is we send people to take SFGY, an by chance we lose SHGY guess where the enitre team is going to be in 4 mins? SPGY an the games over. You have no risk at all taking SFGY because there is no risk for you losing IBGY.
If for some reason you did lose IBGY an SFGY you still have 20 resses to 10. But that hasnt happened in your last 40 AV games right? Tell me what was your last AV loss like, how did it happen?
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Great you’ve just lost as alliance because now horde can now fight at SH with little resistance. All you have to do is contest SHGY we have to cap SFGY. The moment you contest SHGY you can just send everybody back to SF and wipe them because they won’t have any reinforcements. Hell you don’t even have to send everybody because you can hold alliance behind the IWB choke with way less people.
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If distance isn’t the issue, then why did you just try to lie and say:
“SFGY an SHGY are damn near side by side”?
You do not need to control the entire field to send 5 people to SF GY. Send them around Balinda’s bunker on the west side, then ride up the hill. You will encounter little to no resistance if SF hasn’t fully capped.
Your 35 teammates should be able to hold SH GY while horde are rezzing at IBGY. We only take SH GY after SF caps unless the Horde massively overpower the Alliance.
If 35 people can’t defend SH GY from an assault all the way from IB GY, you were lost before the battle began.
Not the brightest are you. If we cap SFGY, what is stopping you from capping it back. Lets say we do cap SFGY what then? IBGY choke point? So we all funnel in, but wait ! We can’t all funnel in have to keep at least 10 people at the cliff to watch for ressers.
So at IBGY were 30v40 across the field. What did SFGY do for us?
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Except we do consistently? It’s funny how you immediately went off the topic of your “strategy” is it because it sucks?
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Once SF caps, Horde have to control it for 5 minutes straight to cap it back. If we send 5 people to SF to retake it while you have 5 rezzing there, that’s an extremely difficult fight because your 5 rezzes there every 30 seconds while we rez all the way back at IB GY.
If we send 10 people to retake it, guess what? Now our 40 people that were assaulting SH GY are only 30 people. You can now send a few more from SH GY to SF GY to hold it against our attack because fewer Horde are assaulting SH GY. If this continues and the horde zug-zug themselves at SF GY, guess what? Now you only need a couple people to watch SH and you’ve effectively moved the fight forward to SF GY. Congratulations.
But Horde likely won’t zug-zug themselves at SF GY. They’ll likely do what they’ve been trained to do for the last 3 months - assault SH GY. A few will come to SF GY but you can overpower them because you own the rez point. Win that fight a few times and they’ll give up.
Now start pulling Lieutenants to the base of SF hill and score yourself 198 honor per, while you try to grow your 5 man team to a 10 man team. Leave a couple at SF GY to stop a ninja cap or call for help, kill the archers at IBT, and flip it with 8ish people inside to guard it.
That’s step 2.
I am literally volunteering you a step-by-step guide on how to beat my faction in AV and all you can do is complain. This is why the Horde call your team whining babies.
Your “guide” is just a way to get us to lose quicker because that’s all it would do. We don’t want your “help” because you guys don’t even know the map all you know is zerg SHGY because that’s all you need to do.
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No your offering nothing, SFGY doesn’t help either faction do anything. The only reason for that GY is rush trading where alliance take SFGY an trade SHGY an skip IBGY an run to FWGY.
You think you know something, but its very clear you don’t.
Alliance cannot react to attacks on SFGY like the horde can, because the horde know exactly where the alliance have to go to take IBGY, the horde how ever can ball up 40 people mid and pick an chose where to go with 0 consequence.
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This is false.
I do agree ally need to push for SF first then IBGY.
There is never in my experience a shortage of horde defending the soft cap at SF. And if there is now it’s only because it’s not nessecary. The moment ally try push for SF the entire horde team will fall back to it.
If ally can hard cap SF the bg can basicly begin as if both sides just entered and are on even terms.
Wrong.
Explain how we are not better players? I played Vanilla, people were god awful. What was the clear rate on MC Vanilla to Classic? what about BWL? Oh it was low as all hell
Do you think naxx will take months to clear? What in your mind makes you think people back then were better then the average player today?
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It’s an easier game. People are still the same people.