Yes.
Glad you read my whole post: /s
While this is true, its meaningless to the problem of the horde having massive map advantage allowing them to put so little effort into defense because defending your forward nodes is far less mission critical than it is for the alliance.
That is really glossing over the top, its not impossible to win as alliance but same skill vs same skill team like Alliance VS Alliance being North VS South, the south side has a far far stronger position.
Has anyone done AV wargames yet. Gotta put all these theories to the test
This is just sad to watch.
Here’s the thing if you get IBGY contested the alliance has massively outplayed you so many times to get there and even for that they will get wiped because at this point they’ve lost people, mana, and are on cooldowns. Hope they’re ready for a 20 rez horde cave.
The win condition for alliance is to get drek. For the horde it’s capture SHGY because that’s all they need to do the map does the rest of the work.
3 Likes
There are plenty of places the map gives the edge to the Alliance - the Alliance just fails to push far enough for the offensive ones to matter 90% of games.
it’s almost as if the horde start closer to the middle than the alliance…
1 Like
I’m not arguing your point. I told you it makes sense. 
I’m arguing that others don’t know what you know and keep talking about the GYs
Ahh, I didn’t get your tone from what you said.
It’s important to have some defense of the prior GY, otherwise you lose it and your reinforcements rez far back. However, if all you do is sit at one GY then that’s not a winning strat either. You need to take forward GY. Then you can attack nearby towers and such.
But, honestly, it’s very difficult right now with how AV is set up. The forward location of the cave makes it very tough to get past the turtle at northern field of strife. The fact that horde rez in the cave when IBGY is taken makes it very tough to hold IBGY.
Basically, turtling around either of those points is so strong that it’s tough to mount an offensive as alliance unless you just risk a full rush and throw away any other chances in the BG.
1 Like
As long as the Alliance continue to believe this, they will continue to lose a lot of Alterac Valley battles. In order for the Horde to win Vanndar must be killed. There isn’t any other way to do it. If you don’t try enough battles to bypass defending SH GY, get to the towers and IB GY, you’ll never know the percentages of chance to win with the proper strategy.
Sorry I watched your “proof” that allies can win and was able to see what you couldn’t that it just proves how bad the map is.
Why would the horde be rezzing there in the cave if the alliance aren’t at SH GY?
“Alliance pugs cannot win!”
“Here is a video of an alliance pug winning.”
“This proves nothing!”
There is no proof that the map is bad. There is a lot of proof that the Alliance don’t do the proper strategy to win. Almost every AV is like that! Show me in this guide to win AV where it talks about defending SH GY at the start, I’ll wait…
classic[dot]wowhead[dot]com/guides/alterac-valley-battleground-classic-wow
Sure but to do that horde just need to turtle at the northern field of strife and farm items to summon the ice lord, bat riders, and wolf riders, then once they have them push and take SHGY.
Once that happens they have a great defensive spot at IWB and can sit there while killing LTs, capping IWB, and SHGY. Then they can continue to push north, either hitting the backdoor to Dun Balder or pressing SPGY. It’s extremely tough for alliance to push south and retake SHGY at that point.
The game goes downhill from there. Can alliance still rally? Sure, but it’s very difficult and doesn’t often happen.
Winning as alliance means taking a lot of risks and trying to coordinate timed pinpoint assaults. Winning as horde means turtling until you get enough stuff to push as a mass. It’s just not as difficult to get a random mob of people to accomplish.
In order for that turtle to happen the Alliance defend SH GY, it happens in all of the battles that I’ve done. Alliance may end up winning if they are massively stronger than the Horde and have fewer AFKs with that strategy.
But the best is to go for the objectives and don’t concern yourselves with defending your last GY. Go for the ones that take you further south like the Horde does further north.
I’m assuming that the alliance managed to push without doing an exchange of GY. Often this is what happens because horde will give up on an assault to fall back to a nearly full defense of IBGY.
If there’s an exchange of GY then it’s a race and alliance can win about 50% of those. But it doesn’t often happen.
Believe me, as an alliance player we’d LOVE to exchange GY like that. All the horde north and all the alliance south.
Once again, this is the key to winning. This will give you roughly a 50% chance if you follow this. If you do it and lose and give up thinking that you can’t win, then you’ll never know the percentage of chance to win using this strategy.
Yes just ignore all the evidence and there is no evidence…
you are a troll and not worth responding to.
2 Likes
Exactly! That’s the way it should be! But Alliance don’t do that, they stay back and protect SH GY with everything they have. That’s completely the wrong thing to do.
Most times it’s not a choice. They’re at SHGY because when they try to get south horde block it.